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Attributes | |
ACN | 611901 |
Time | |
Date | 200403 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tpa.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Windshear |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 24000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 611901 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 612145 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
On final approach, tower reported winds 008 degrees at 16 KTS. No gusts of windshear reported. Reference speed for 188000 pounds was 128 KTS. Set target of 136 KTS and added about 4-5 extra KTS till close to flare. All normal crosswind landing SOP's followed. About 4 ft above runway, aircraft rolled left, bounced off left main then rolled right, bounced off right main, then rolled left and left main touched again before all wheels on runway. Whole time I was reacting instinctively but was unable to arrest roll. It felt like we were in a vortex but no wake turbulence was reported ahead of us. Aircraft stayed on centerline. Reported windshear to tower. On ground, talked to station manager. Later called flight operations duty manager, dispatch and maintenance. An inspection of aircraft was ordered by maintenance. In over 3 decades of flying, and with much experience with high, gusty xwinds, I've never encountered a loss of roll control like this. Supplemental information from acn 612145: on final, we decided to add 8 KTS to reference because of a steady 30-40 degree right crosswind of 17 KTS. On short final, tower controller again reported a steady 16 KT wind at 030 degrees. Captain carried about 5 extra KTS most of the way down final and the winds did not seem to be gusting. We could tell the winds were strong from our crab heading off the localizer heading. Very suddenly as we started to get into the flare, the wing dipped toward the runway. Captain countered with aileron immediately. The wings rocked back and forth approximately 2 more times as the wheels touched separately one after the other with a bounce and then 2 more touches by both mains. The encounter happened so close to the ground there was no time to go around. Captain kept the aircraft aligned with the centerline the entire time. After discussion, we didn't think it was a hard landing, however, definitely firm.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757-200 FLT CREW EXPERIENCES LATERAL CTL DIFFICULTY ON XWIND LNDG AT TPA.
Narrative: ON FINAL APCH, TWR RPTED WINDS 008 DEGS AT 16 KTS. NO GUSTS OF WINDSHEAR RPTED. REF SPD FOR 188000 LBS WAS 128 KTS. SET TARGET OF 136 KTS AND ADDED ABOUT 4-5 EXTRA KTS TILL CLOSE TO FLARE. ALL NORMAL XWIND LNDG SOP'S FOLLOWED. ABOUT 4 FT ABOVE RWY, ACFT ROLLED L, BOUNCED OFF L MAIN THEN ROLLED R, BOUNCED OFF R MAIN, THEN ROLLED L AND L MAIN TOUCHED AGAIN BEFORE ALL WHEELS ON RWY. WHOLE TIME I WAS REACTING INSTINCTIVELY BUT WAS UNABLE TO ARREST ROLL. IT FELT LIKE WE WERE IN A VORTEX BUT NO WAKE TURB WAS RPTED AHEAD OF US. ACFT STAYED ON CTRLINE. RPTED WINDSHEAR TO TWR. ON GND, TALKED TO STATION MGR. LATER CALLED FLT OPS DUTY MGR, DISPATCH AND MAINT. AN INSPECTION OF ACFT WAS ORDERED BY MAINT. IN OVER 3 DECADES OF FLYING, AND WITH MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH HIGH, GUSTY XWINDS, I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED A LOSS OF ROLL CTL LIKE THIS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 612145: ON FINAL, WE DECIDED TO ADD 8 KTS TO REF BECAUSE OF A STEADY 30-40 DEG R XWIND OF 17 KTS. ON SHORT FINAL, TWR CTLR AGAIN RPTED A STEADY 16 KT WIND AT 030 DEGS. CAPT CARRIED ABOUT 5 EXTRA KTS MOST OF THE WAY DOWN FINAL AND THE WINDS DID NOT SEEM TO BE GUSTING. WE COULD TELL THE WINDS WERE STRONG FROM OUR CRAB HDG OFF THE LOC HDG. VERY SUDDENLY AS WE STARTED TO GET INTO THE FLARE, THE WING DIPPED TOWARD THE RWY. CAPT COUNTERED WITH AILERON IMMEDIATELY. THE WINGS ROCKED BACK AND FORTH APPROX 2 MORE TIMES AS THE WHEELS TOUCHED SEPARATELY ONE AFTER THE OTHER WITH A BOUNCE AND THEN 2 MORE TOUCHES BY BOTH MAINS. THE ENCOUNTER HAPPENED SO CLOSE TO THE GND THERE WAS NO TIME TO GO AROUND. CAPT KEPT THE ACFT ALIGNED WITH THE CTRLINE THE ENTIRE TIME. AFTER DISCUSSION, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A HARD LNDG, HOWEVER, DEFINITELY FIRM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.