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Attributes | |
ACN | 612389 |
Time | |
Date | 200403 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sba.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sba.tracon tower : sba.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sba.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 612389 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : sba.tracon |
Narrative:
I was making a cross country flight with an instrument pilot. I was acting in my capacity as a cfii and flying in the right seat of a C172. We were on an IFR flight plan and under control of sba approach control on 125.4. I was scanning the skies and watching the instrument pilot follow radar vectors to intercept the final approach course for the VOR 25 approach to sba. I heard sba tell a cherokee that there was traffic within 1 mi. At that time, I noticed a cherokee with its nose up in a climb approaching from 1 O'clock position approximately 300 ft higher than we were. The pilot in the left seat also estimated the distance as 300 ft. We saw the traffic at the same time. There was no time for evasive action. The cherokee passed overhead generating some turbulence to our aircraft. Sba never notified us of another aircraft in our vicinity. As the frequency was quite busy, I didn't report the incident until after landing and handoff to ground control. I submitted an oral near miss report with sba tower via telephone. I assume the tapes will be pulled and a full investigation initiated. We were under radar control and on IFR flight plan and clearance receiving vectors. It is my understanding that while under an IFR flight plan ATC is to provide separation. This certainly didn't happen in this case. Based upon the facts of the situation, it is my opinion that sba approach failed to maintain separation between my aircraft and the cherokee with almost disastrous results. If a controller makes a mistake he/she gets to go home. The pilot may not be so fortunate. The pilot I was flying with was physically ill after landing directly due to this incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LATE TA BY TRACON CTLR FAILS TO PREVENT AN NMAC BTWN A DEP CHEROKEE AND AN ARR C172 FOR VOR APCH TO RWY 25 NEAR ZACKS INTXN, SBA, CA.
Narrative: I WAS MAKING A XCOUNTRY FLT WITH AN INST PLT. I WAS ACTING IN MY CAPACITY AS A CFII AND FLYING IN THE R SEAT OF A C172. WE WERE ON AN IFR FLT PLAN AND UNDER CTL OF SBA APCH CTL ON 125.4. I WAS SCANNING THE SKIES AND WATCHING THE INST PLT FOLLOW RADAR VECTORS TO INTERCEPT THE FINAL APCH COURSE FOR THE VOR 25 APCH TO SBA. I HEARD SBA TELL A CHEROKEE THAT THERE WAS TFC WITHIN 1 MI. AT THAT TIME, I NOTICED A CHEROKEE WITH ITS NOSE UP IN A CLB APCHING FROM 1 O'CLOCK POS APPROX 300 FT HIGHER THAN WE WERE. THE PLT IN THE L SEAT ALSO ESTIMATED THE DISTANCE AS 300 FT. WE SAW THE TFC AT THE SAME TIME. THERE WAS NO TIME FOR EVASIVE ACTION. THE CHEROKEE PASSED OVERHEAD GENERATING SOME TURB TO OUR ACFT. SBA NEVER NOTIFIED US OF ANOTHER ACFT IN OUR VICINITY. AS THE FREQ WAS QUITE BUSY, I DIDN'T RPT THE INCIDENT UNTIL AFTER LNDG AND HDOF TO GND CTL. I SUBMITTED AN ORAL NEAR MISS RPT WITH SBA TWR VIA TELEPHONE. I ASSUME THE TAPES WILL BE PULLED AND A FULL INVESTIGATION INITIATED. WE WERE UNDER RADAR CTL AND ON IFR FLT PLAN AND CLRNC RECEIVING VECTORS. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHILE UNDER AN IFR FLT PLAN ATC IS TO PROVIDE SEPARATION. THIS CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THIS CASE. BASED UPON THE FACTS OF THE SIT, IT IS MY OPINION THAT SBA APCH FAILED TO MAINTAIN SEPARATION BTWN MY ACFT AND THE CHEROKEE WITH ALMOST DISASTROUS RESULTS. IF A CTLR MAKES A MISTAKE HE/SHE GETS TO GO HOME. THE PLT MAY NOT BE SO FORTUNATE. THE PLT I WAS FLYING WITH WAS PHYSICALLY ILL AFTER LNDG DIRECTLY DUE TO THIS INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.