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Attributes | |
ACN | 612688 |
Time | |
Date | 200403 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-24 Comanche |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern arrival : vfr |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 612688 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 50 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Traffic was very heavy. Upon initial contact with tower, we were told to enter a wide downwind to runway 25R, 2 mi north of the tower. Entering downwind, we reported and noticed a PA28 abeam us on downwind to runway 25R. Flying past the approach end of runway 25R, tower told us to follow a PA28 on a 1 mi final to runway 25R. Assuming the traffic (PA28) we saw earlier on downwind for runway 25R was who we were going to follow, we turned base and started to look for our traffic. Turning final, I saw a PA28 about 50 ft higher than us and we dove to provide additional clearance. On short final, I asked for landing clearance and was told we cut off the traffic he were to follow. Cleared to land, we landed, made a left turn, and to make sure we were well clear of the runway, we taxied 150 ft past the runway and held short of runway 25L. Calling ground control, we scolded us for not stopping immediately before contacting him. Observations: ZZZ is a very busy training airport with 1 flight school with about 40-50 PA28's. 1) if controller had given proper distance (estimated 3 mi instead of reported 1 mi), this near midair collision never would have occurred as we were looking elsewhere for our traffic. To my knowledge, the other aircraft never saw us or made any maneuver to avoid us. 2) at ord and other large airports, if a pilot doesn't keep it rolling when exiting a runway onto a taxiway, the controllers get mad.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA24 PLT HAS NMAC WITH ACFT IN LNDG PATTERN AT A TWRED ARPT. PLT ALSO REPRIMANDED BY CTLR FOR FAILING TO CONTACT GND IMMEDIATELY AFTER CLRING RWY.
Narrative: TFC WAS VERY HVY. UPON INITIAL CONTACT WITH TWR, WE WERE TOLD TO ENTER A WIDE DOWNWIND TO RWY 25R, 2 MI N OF THE TWR. ENTERING DOWNWIND, WE RPTED AND NOTICED A PA28 ABEAM US ON DOWNWIND TO RWY 25R. FLYING PAST THE APCH END OF RWY 25R, TWR TOLD US TO FOLLOW A PA28 ON A 1 MI FINAL TO RWY 25R. ASSUMING THE TFC (PA28) WE SAW EARLIER ON DOWNWIND FOR RWY 25R WAS WHO WE WERE GOING TO FOLLOW, WE TURNED BASE AND STARTED TO LOOK FOR OUR TFC. TURNING FINAL, I SAW A PA28 ABOUT 50 FT HIGHER THAN US AND WE DOVE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLRNC. ON SHORT FINAL, I ASKED FOR LNDG CLRNC AND WAS TOLD WE CUT OFF THE TFC HE WERE TO FOLLOW. CLRED TO LAND, WE LANDED, MADE A L TURN, AND TO MAKE SURE WE WERE WELL CLR OF THE RWY, WE TAXIED 150 FT PAST THE RWY AND HELD SHORT OF RWY 25L. CALLING GND CTL, WE SCOLDED US FOR NOT STOPPING IMMEDIATELY BEFORE CONTACTING HIM. OBSERVATIONS: ZZZ IS A VERY BUSY TRAINING ARPT WITH 1 FLT SCHOOL WITH ABOUT 40-50 PA28'S. 1) IF CTLR HAD GIVEN PROPER DISTANCE (ESTIMATED 3 MI INSTEAD OF RPTED 1 MI), THIS NMAC NEVER WOULD HAVE OCCURRED AS WE WERE LOOKING ELSEWHERE FOR OUR TFC. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE OTHER ACFT NEVER SAW US OR MADE ANY MANEUVER TO AVOID US. 2) AT ORD AND OTHER LARGE ARPTS, IF A PLT DOESN'T KEEP IT ROLLING WHEN EXITING A RWY ONTO A TXWY, THE CTLRS GET MAD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.