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Attributes | |
ACN | 614074 |
Time | |
Date | 200404 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sdf.airport |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | msl single value : 7500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sdf.tracon tower : tpa.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 614074 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
I was the captain of a B747 operating to sdf. We were in the descent approaching 10000 ft and were given a clearance to descend to 6000 ft. Passing through approximately 7500 ft, the controller gave us a clearance to 6000 ft again (or so we thought). I replied that we had been previously cleared to 6000 ft. The controller replied that the first clearance had been for another flight, but that it was no problem and we could continue descent to 6000 ft. Both the first officer and I agreed that we heard our call sign in the first transmission. Maybe the controller said our call sign and was thinking the other, or maybe we just heard what we wanted to hear. I did read back the original clearance and did not receive any correction from the controller. Anyway, it does not really matter who is at fault. The problem stems from the company using similar call signs which all converge at sdf at the same time. While the call signs the company uses are for their own purposes, having so many similar call signs is not in the best interest of safety, especially when arrival times are so close. It is very easy for a busy approach controller, or flight crew, to get confused. My occurrence was not the first time this has happened. In fact, our pilot group has idented this issue as a safety concern and has been trying, for several yrs, to convince the company to make changes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B747-200 CAPT COMPLAINED THAT HE MADE AN ALTDEV WITH SDF BECAUSE OF SIMILAR SOUNDING CALL SIGNS.
Narrative: I WAS THE CAPT OF A B747 OPERATING TO SDF. WE WERE IN THE DSCNT APCHING 10000 FT AND WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO DSND TO 6000 FT. PASSING THROUGH APPROX 7500 FT, THE CTLR GAVE US A CLRNC TO 6000 FT AGAIN (OR SO WE THOUGHT). I REPLIED THAT WE HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY CLRED TO 6000 FT. THE CTLR REPLIED THAT THE FIRST CLRNC HAD BEEN FOR ANOTHER FLT, BUT THAT IT WAS NO PROB AND WE COULD CONTINUE DSCNT TO 6000 FT. BOTH THE FO AND I AGREED THAT WE HEARD OUR CALL SIGN IN THE FIRST XMISSION. MAYBE THE CTLR SAID OUR CALL SIGN AND WAS THINKING THE OTHER, OR MAYBE WE JUST HEARD WHAT WE WANTED TO HEAR. I DID READ BACK THE ORIGINAL CLRNC AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANY CORRECTION FROM THE CTLR. ANYWAY, IT DOES NOT REALLY MATTER WHO IS AT FAULT. THE PROB STEMS FROM THE COMPANY USING SIMILAR CALL SIGNS WHICH ALL CONVERGE AT SDF AT THE SAME TIME. WHILE THE CALL SIGNS THE COMPANY USES ARE FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES, HAVING SO MANY SIMILAR CALL SIGNS IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF SAFETY, ESPECIALLY WHEN ARR TIMES ARE SO CLOSE. IT IS VERY EASY FOR A BUSY APCH CTLR, OR FLT CREW, TO GET CONFUSED. MY OCCURRENCE WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED. IN FACT, OUR PLT GROUP HAS IDENTED THIS ISSUE AS A SAFETY CONCERN AND HAS BEEN TRYING, FOR SEVERAL YRS, TO CONVINCE THE COMPANY TO MAKE CHANGES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.