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Attributes | |
ACN | 614662 |
Time | |
Date | 200404 |
Day | Sun |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 700 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
ASRS Report | 614662 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : company policies |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
I recently got signed off for crj IOE with approximately 17 hours. I was under the impression that 25 was the normal number of hours for IOE. My instructor told me that we could in fact be signed off with less than 25 hours due to an exemption. Both he and I discussed this and agreed that it made more sense to get the full 25 hours for various reasons. The most important reason I wanted the full 25 hours is the fact that I am flying with capts that also have bare minimum experience in the aircraft. Many of them are coming from turboprop aircraft and from different bases to the busiest airport in the world. There is also an exemption for reduced experience. The most troubling part of this is that the captain was not going to sign me off with 17 hours because he agreed that I would benefit from the additional 8 hours. He was contacted by management and in essence, forced to sign me off -- or 'release' me. Even though I was 'not prepared' on 17 hours, someone told him he could 'release' me. I believe that I can operate the aircraft safely in 90% of the sits I will be in, and hopefully with most capts I'm paired with, but with the wealth of information on the FMS, I don't see how 8 more hours could hurt. Flying with another instructor with different insights on the aircraft operation would also be beneficial. If the company truly believes in the credo of safety first, why was my instructor forced to sign me off? Maybe an accident could be avoided with less shortcuts in exchange for short term monetary savings.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CRJ PLT QUESTIONS THE SAFETY OF BEING QUALIFIED AFTER COMPLETING LESS THAN THE NORMALLY PRESCRIBED IOE HRS.
Narrative: I RECENTLY GOT SIGNED OFF FOR CRJ IOE WITH APPROX 17 HRS. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT 25 WAS THE NORMAL NUMBER OF HRS FOR IOE. MY INSTRUCTOR TOLD ME THAT WE COULD IN FACT BE SIGNED OFF WITH LESS THAN 25 HRS DUE TO AN EXEMPTION. BOTH HE AND I DISCUSSED THIS AND AGREED THAT IT MADE MORE SENSE TO GET THE FULL 25 HRS FOR VARIOUS REASONS. THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON I WANTED THE FULL 25 HRS IS THE FACT THAT I AM FLYING WITH CAPTS THAT ALSO HAVE BARE MINIMUM EXPERIENCE IN THE ACFT. MANY OF THEM ARE COMING FROM TURBOPROP ACFT AND FROM DIFFERENT BASES TO THE BUSIEST ARPT IN THE WORLD. THERE IS ALSO AN EXEMPTION FOR REDUCED EXPERIENCE. THE MOST TROUBLING PART OF THIS IS THAT THE CAPT WAS NOT GOING TO SIGN ME OFF WITH 17 HRS BECAUSE HE AGREED THAT I WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE ADDITIONAL 8 HRS. HE WAS CONTACTED BY MGMNT AND IN ESSENCE, FORCED TO SIGN ME OFF -- OR 'RELEASE' ME. EVEN THOUGH I WAS 'NOT PREPARED' ON 17 HRS, SOMEONE TOLD HIM HE COULD 'RELEASE' ME. I BELIEVE THAT I CAN OPERATE THE ACFT SAFELY IN 90% OF THE SITS I WILL BE IN, AND HOPEFULLY WITH MOST CAPTS I'M PAIRED WITH, BUT WITH THE WEALTH OF INFO ON THE FMS, I DON'T SEE HOW 8 MORE HRS COULD HURT. FLYING WITH ANOTHER INSTRUCTOR WITH DIFFERENT INSIGHTS ON THE ACFT OP WOULD ALSO BE BENEFICIAL. IF THE COMPANY TRULY BELIEVES IN THE CREDO OF SAFETY FIRST, WHY WAS MY INSTRUCTOR FORCED TO SIGN ME OFF? MAYBE AN ACCIDENT COULD BE AVOIDED WITH LESS SHORTCUTS IN EXCHANGE FOR SHORT TERM MONETARY SAVINGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.