PA24 pilot obtains ADIZ clearance from nyg milfac, but is 'terminated' with a frequency change and t...

Attributes
ACN	615833
Time
Date	200404
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : brv.vortac
State Reference	VA
Altitude	msl single value : 2500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : pct.tracon tracon : nyg.tracon tower : ord.tower
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	PA-24 Comanche
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	cruise : level descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : visual arrival : vfr
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 10 flight time total : 1207 flight time type : 405
ASRS Report	615833
Person 2
Affiliation	government : military
Function	controller : approach
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure FAA
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : pct.tracon
Airspace Structure	special use : dcadiz.othersua

Narrative:

Called FSS and filed ADIZ flight plan approximately XA15. Entered point brv VOR to W29. Called shenendoah (potomac) and received a discrete squawk code and ATC frequency 127.05 (quantico approach). Departed and near brv VOR at 2500 ft called quantico (127.05) for permission into the ADIZ. Received ADIZ clearance. Approximately 5 mins later (I was now inside ADIZ), I was told to stay out of class B and class D airspace and cleared to change communication frequency and good-bye. I challenged clearance 3 times since I was in ADIZ. They refused help on handoff! Contacted dca on 118.92 for help. They replied stay clear of class B and class D airspace and good-bye. Continued on to W29. Called andrews 119.3 for class B clearance. Told to stand by. By the time they got back to me, I had to descend to avoid class B airspace. Also saw military tanker on converging course. Deviated to right. Since they were not controling or talking to me, they could not even call out traffic. Continued to W29 (bay bridge) and landed without incident. I have flown this route at least 50 times round trip since sep/tue and have not had this happen before. I checked WX and NOTAMS and no change in ADIZ procedures were told to me. This is a flight safety issue and inconsistent. I was handled correctly earlier in the day. This is an accident or violation of an innocent pilot waiting to happen.callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter alleged that this was the first time a clearance route was not acknowledged. Reporter's concern was that not being 'cleared' by ATC would result in an air intercept. Reporter alleged that at other times en route to W29, pct would issue control turns away from the adw approach corridor due to landing traffic with subsequent 'resume navigation' from the controller. Having to take reporter's own conflict resolution was also a concern that 'he was doing it right.' reporter advised that a recent flight into and out of W29 included radar TA's.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PA24 PLT OBTAINS ADIZ CLRNC FROM NYG MILFAC, BUT IS 'TERMINATED' WITH A FREQ CHANGE AND TOLD TO REMAIN OUTSIDE CLASS B AND CLASS D AIRSPACE ENRTE TO W29. SUBSEQUENT REQUESTS TO PCT FREQS GO UNANSWERED OR ALSO DIRECTED TO REMAIN OUTSIDE CLASS B WITH NO TA'S.

Narrative: CALLED FSS AND FILED ADIZ FLT PLAN APPROX XA15. ENTERED POINT BRV VOR TO W29. CALLED SHENENDOAH (POTOMAC) AND RECEIVED A DISCRETE SQUAWK CODE AND ATC FREQ 127.05 (QUANTICO APCH). DEPARTED AND NEAR BRV VOR AT 2500 FT CALLED QUANTICO (127.05) FOR PERMISSION INTO THE ADIZ. RECEIVED ADIZ CLRNC. APPROX 5 MINS LATER (I WAS NOW INSIDE ADIZ), I WAS TOLD TO STAY OUT OF CLASS B AND CLASS D AIRSPACE AND CLRED TO CHANGE COM FREQ AND GOOD-BYE. I CHALLENGED CLRNC 3 TIMES SINCE I WAS IN ADIZ. THEY REFUSED HELP ON HDOF! CONTACTED DCA ON 118.92 FOR HELP. THEY REPLIED STAY CLR OF CLASS B AND CLASS D AIRSPACE AND GOOD-BYE. CONTINUED ON TO W29. CALLED ANDREWS 119.3 FOR CLASS B CLRNC. TOLD TO STAND BY. BY THE TIME THEY GOT BACK TO ME, I HAD TO DSND TO AVOID CLASS B AIRSPACE. ALSO SAW MIL TANKER ON CONVERGING COURSE. DEVIATED TO R. SINCE THEY WERE NOT CTLING OR TALKING TO ME, THEY COULD NOT EVEN CALL OUT TFC. CONTINUED TO W29 (BAY BRIDGE) AND LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. I HAVE FLOWN THIS RTE AT LEAST 50 TIMES ROUND TRIP SINCE SEP/TUE AND HAVE NOT HAD THIS HAPPEN BEFORE. I CHKED WX AND NOTAMS AND NO CHANGE IN ADIZ PROCS WERE TOLD TO ME. THIS IS A FLT SAFETY ISSUE AND INCONSISTENT. I WAS HANDLED CORRECTLY EARLIER IN THE DAY. THIS IS AN ACCIDENT OR VIOLATION OF AN INNOCENT PLT WAITING TO HAPPEN.CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR ALLEGED THAT THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME A CLRNC RTE WAS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED. RPTR'S CONCERN WAS THAT NOT BEING 'CLRED' BY ATC WOULD RESULT IN AN AIR INTERCEPT. RPTR ALLEGED THAT AT OTHER TIMES ENRTE TO W29, PCT WOULD ISSUE CTL TURNS AWAY FROM THE ADW APCH CORRIDOR DUE TO LNDG TFC WITH SUBSEQUENT 'RESUME NAV' FROM THE CTLR. HAVING TO TAKE RPTR'S OWN CONFLICT RESOLUTION WAS ALSO A CONCERN THAT 'HE WAS DOING IT RIGHT.' RPTR ADVISED THAT A RECENT FLT INTO AND OUT OF W29 INCLUDED RADAR TA'S.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

PA24 pilot obtains ADIZ clearance from nyg milfac, but is 'terminated' with a frequency change and told to remain outside class B and class D airspace en route to W29. Subsequent requests to pct frequencys go unanswered or also directed to remain outside class B with no TA's.