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Attributes | |
ACN | 617217 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fll.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 1100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : fll.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 617217 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 617527 |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 300 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance ATC Facility |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
On the climb out after takeoff and going through 1000 ft MSL, we received a TA. Within a few seconds, it was followed by an RA. We all established visual contact with the small GA aircraft which was within 1/4 mi at 12 O'clock position. Due to following the RA procedure and the climb performance of the rj, we arranged to climb over the top of the GA aircraft. Just about this time, we received the TA from the tower and we were told that the traffic had just popped up on their radar screen. I contacted the tower upon arrival at dca and was told that the GA aircraft was not in communication with fll, but they managed to get in touch with them a few mins later and were told that GA aircraft saw us and he was at 1500 ft and descended to avoid collision with us. He was also very apologetic. The fll tower told me that they were forwarding a report to washington about the altitude deviation. I am not sure how quickly the tower saw the traffic on radar as it seems that they had missed it. They had also never informed us of helicopter traffic that was 300 ft below us on the arrival to fll just about 45 mins prior to this incident. Supplemental information from acn 617527: departing east on runway heading received RA, 'climb.' 'maintain vertical speed,' then 'clear of conflict.' subsequently spoke with ATC who said they 'never saw him, he was a foreign student pilot overflying the inter-coastal waterway at 1500 ft.' tower did not advise of helicopter traffic which flew directly beneath us 500 ft below. Luckily, we saw that traffic and remained above GS in response to a 'traffic,' TA received by TCASII. One thing is certain, TCASII works! Definitely saved our lives that day! I think fll needs some new equipment or training.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DEP CRJ200 AND A XING C182 HAVE AN NMAC IN CLASS C AIRSPACE E OF FLL, FL.
Narrative: ON THE CLBOUT AFTER TKOF AND GOING THROUGH 1000 FT MSL, WE RECEIVED A TA. WITHIN A FEW SECONDS, IT WAS FOLLOWED BY AN RA. WE ALL ESTABLISHED VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE SMALL GA ACFT WHICH WAS WITHIN 1/4 MI AT 12 O'CLOCK POS. DUE TO FOLLOWING THE RA PROC AND THE CLB PERFORMANCE OF THE RJ, WE ARRANGED TO CLB OVER THE TOP OF THE GA ACFT. JUST ABOUT THIS TIME, WE RECEIVED THE TA FROM THE TWR AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THE TFC HAD JUST POPPED UP ON THEIR RADAR SCREEN. I CONTACTED THE TWR UPON ARR AT DCA AND WAS TOLD THAT THE GA ACFT WAS NOT IN COM WITH FLL, BUT THEY MANAGED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM A FEW MINS LATER AND WERE TOLD THAT GA ACFT SAW US AND HE WAS AT 1500 FT AND DSNDED TO AVOID COLLISION WITH US. HE WAS ALSO VERY APOLOGETIC. THE FLL TWR TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE FORWARDING A RPT TO WASHINGTON ABOUT THE ALTDEV. I AM NOT SURE HOW QUICKLY THE TWR SAW THE TFC ON RADAR AS IT SEEMS THAT THEY HAD MISSED IT. THEY HAD ALSO NEVER INFORMED US OF HELI TFC THAT WAS 300 FT BELOW US ON THE ARR TO FLL JUST ABOUT 45 MINS PRIOR TO THIS INCIDENT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 617527: DEPARTING E ON RWY HDG RECEIVED RA, 'CLB.' 'MAINTAIN VERT SPD,' THEN 'CLR OF CONFLICT.' SUBSEQUENTLY SPOKE WITH ATC WHO SAID THEY 'NEVER SAW HIM, HE WAS A FOREIGN STUDENT PLT OVERFLYING THE INTER-COASTAL WATERWAY AT 1500 FT.' TWR DID NOT ADVISE OF HELI TFC WHICH FLEW DIRECTLY BENEATH US 500 FT BELOW. LUCKILY, WE SAW THAT TFC AND REMAINED ABOVE GS IN RESPONSE TO A 'TFC,' TA RECEIVED BY TCASII. ONE THING IS CERTAIN, TCASII WORKS! DEFINITELY SAVED OUR LIVES THAT DAY! I THINK FLL NEEDS SOME NEW EQUIP OR TRAINING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.