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Attributes | |
ACN | 618071 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : oma.airport |
State Reference | NE |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Fog |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 |
ASRS Report | 618071 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : company policies non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Takeoff conditions at oma were 1/4 mi visibility and light winds. The captain noticed that the takeoff alternate designated by dispatch was greater than 300 mi away. The takeoff alternate was also our destination. It took way too long to convince the dispatcher that the alternate didn't comply with the far's (less than 300 mi in still air). A suitable alternate was selected and the release was amended. This process lasted until moments before push time. I wasn't in on the discussion because I was performing my originating preflight duties. What both of us failed to notice was that we needed a landing alternate also because of the ceiling at mdw. The release didn't show a landing alternate and should have. The captain had the WX package while talking to dispatch, so I never got a chance to look at it until moments before push and didn't notice the mdw WX. I was focused on the takeoff alternate situation. I feel that the dispatcher was trying to be a little too efficient. While a takeoff alternate that is the same as your destination may sound great in theory, it still has to comply with far's. The captain had to spend way too much time trying to convince dispatch of this. We got in a rush to get out on time and didn't review the rest of the document. The captain did get more fuel because of takeoff conditions (1/4 mi visibility), so we were safe to go to an alternate, but the paperwork was not correct. I know times are tight and fuel is expensive, but we can't cut corners like this. Dispatch needs to admit their great plan may not be so great and fix it fast. We, as the crew, should not have been so fixated on the one problem and seen the big picture.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 FLT CREW DEPARTED WITHOUT A REQUIRED ALTERNATE IN THE DISPATCH RELEASE.
Narrative: TKOF CONDITIONS AT OMA WERE 1/4 MI VISIBILITY AND LIGHT WINDS. THE CAPT NOTICED THAT THE TKOF ALTERNATE DESIGNATED BY DISPATCH WAS GREATER THAN 300 MI AWAY. THE TKOF ALTERNATE WAS ALSO OUR DEST. IT TOOK WAY TOO LONG TO CONVINCE THE DISPATCHER THAT THE ALTERNATE DIDN'T COMPLY WITH THE FAR'S (LESS THAN 300 MI IN STILL AIR). A SUITABLE ALTERNATE WAS SELECTED AND THE RELEASE WAS AMENDED. THIS PROCESS LASTED UNTIL MOMENTS BEFORE PUSH TIME. I WASN'T IN ON THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE I WAS PERFORMING MY ORIGINATING PREFLT DUTIES. WHAT BOTH OF US FAILED TO NOTICE WAS THAT WE NEEDED A LNDG ALTERNATE ALSO BECAUSE OF THE CEILING AT MDW. THE RELEASE DIDN'T SHOW A LNDG ALTERNATE AND SHOULD HAVE. THE CAPT HAD THE WX PACKAGE WHILE TALKING TO DISPATCH, SO I NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT UNTIL MOMENTS BEFORE PUSH AND DIDN'T NOTICE THE MDW WX. I WAS FOCUSED ON THE TKOF ALTERNATE SIT. I FEEL THAT THE DISPATCHER WAS TRYING TO BE A LITTLE TOO EFFICIENT. WHILE A TKOF ALTERNATE THAT IS THE SAME AS YOUR DEST MAY SOUND GREAT IN THEORY, IT STILL HAS TO COMPLY WITH FAR'S. THE CAPT HAD TO SPEND WAY TOO MUCH TIME TRYING TO CONVINCE DISPATCH OF THIS. WE GOT IN A RUSH TO GET OUT ON TIME AND DIDN'T REVIEW THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT. THE CAPT DID GET MORE FUEL BECAUSE OF TKOF CONDITIONS (1/4 MI VISIBILITY), SO WE WERE SAFE TO GO TO AN ALTERNATE, BUT THE PAPERWORK WAS NOT CORRECT. I KNOW TIMES ARE TIGHT AND FUEL IS EXPENSIVE, BUT WE CAN'T CUT CORNERS LIKE THIS. DISPATCH NEEDS TO ADMIT THEIR GREAT PLAN MAY NOT BE SO GREAT AND FIX IT FAST. WE, AS THE CREW, SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SO FIXATED ON THE ONE PROB AND SEEN THE BIG PICTURE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.