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Attributes | |
ACN | 618271 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Fri |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : cae.vortac |
State Reference | SC |
Altitude | msl single value : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 9200 flight time type : 2891 |
ASRS Report | 618271 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 9001 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was captain of air carrier X during initial climb on scheduled flight from cae-dca. ATC called traffic off our left 1000 ft above. We saw traffic and advised traffic in sight. ATC said maintain visual separation, climb maintain FL230. At that time, I switched from flight level change which was providing approximately 2000 FPM climb to vertical speed and scrolled down to slow climb. At all times, I had traffic in sight. I received an RA which said monitor vertical speed. At this time, I used ILS, overriding autoplt to lower nose. I feel at no time safety was compromised. In fact, on many occasions, I have seen traffic as close. The other pilot was upset. He keyed the microphone saying that was ridiculous and that he was filing a report. I stated that we had you visually and responded appropriately to the RA. He said that if I had him visually, I should not have received an RA. I disagree, because it is physically impossible to go from a 2000 FPM climb to level flight (or descent) instantaneously. There will be some float. I used smooth application of pitch, because at all times, I felt safety was not compromised. More abrupt pitch forward could have tossed the flight attendant. I would have used more abrupt pitch control though if I felt safety was being compromised. A problem arising from this was the DASH8 pilot challenging another pilot on frequency. This is similar to traffic (on the ground) confrontations and causes unnecessary distrs. ATC did not seem concerned nor did they ask either pilot to contact them. It is common knowledge that several members of the DASH8 pilot group strongly dislike our pilot group because of contractual issues. I feel the DASH8 over-exaggerated the incident for this reason. The fact that he referred to us as 'that air carrier flight' instead of our proper call sign confirms this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: E145 WITH ZJX CLBING UTILIZING VISUAL SEPARATION EXPERIENCES TCASII RA AND CAUSES CONCERN TO CONFLICTING DH8 ACFT.
Narrative: I WAS CAPT OF ACR X DURING INITIAL CLB ON SCHEDULED FLT FROM CAE-DCA. ATC CALLED TFC OFF OUR L 1000 FT ABOVE. WE SAW TFC AND ADVISED TFC IN SIGHT. ATC SAID MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION, CLB MAINTAIN FL230. AT THAT TIME, I SWITCHED FROM FLT LEVEL CHANGE WHICH WAS PROVIDING APPROX 2000 FPM CLB TO VERT SPD AND SCROLLED DOWN TO SLOW CLB. AT ALL TIMES, I HAD TFC IN SIGHT. I RECEIVED AN RA WHICH SAID MONITOR VERT SPD. AT THIS TIME, I USED ILS, OVERRIDING AUTOPLT TO LOWER NOSE. I FEEL AT NO TIME SAFETY WAS COMPROMISED. IN FACT, ON MANY OCCASIONS, I HAVE SEEN TFC AS CLOSE. THE OTHER PLT WAS UPSET. HE KEYED THE MIKE SAYING THAT WAS RIDICULOUS AND THAT HE WAS FILING A RPT. I STATED THAT WE HAD YOU VISUALLY AND RESPONDED APPROPRIATELY TO THE RA. HE SAID THAT IF I HAD HIM VISUALLY, I SHOULD NOT HAVE RECEIVED AN RA. I DISAGREE, BECAUSE IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GO FROM A 2000 FPM CLB TO LEVEL FLT (OR DSCNT) INSTANTANEOUSLY. THERE WILL BE SOME FLOAT. I USED SMOOTH APPLICATION OF PITCH, BECAUSE AT ALL TIMES, I FELT SAFETY WAS NOT COMPROMISED. MORE ABRUPT PITCH FORWARD COULD HAVE TOSSED THE FLT ATTENDANT. I WOULD HAVE USED MORE ABRUPT PITCH CTL THOUGH IF I FELT SAFETY WAS BEING COMPROMISED. A PROB ARISING FROM THIS WAS THE DASH8 PLT CHALLENGING ANOTHER PLT ON FREQ. THIS IS SIMILAR TO TFC (ON THE GND) CONFRONTATIONS AND CAUSES UNNECESSARY DISTRS. ATC DID NOT SEEM CONCERNED NOR DID THEY ASK EITHER PLT TO CONTACT THEM. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE DASH8 PLT GROUP STRONGLY DISLIKE OUR PLT GROUP BECAUSE OF CONTRACTUAL ISSUES. I FEEL THE DASH8 OVER-EXAGGERATED THE INCIDENT FOR THIS REASON. THE FACT THAT HE REFERRED TO US AS 'THAT ACR FLT' INSTEAD OF OUR PROPER CALL SIGN CONFIRMS THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.