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Attributes | |
ACN | 618869 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : ign.vor |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3450 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 4400 flight time type : 1930 |
ASRS Report | 618869 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : msaw aircraft equipment : gpws other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to assigned altitude flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Going into swf, new york approach gave us a heading of 170 degrees and 6000 ft. Once on the heading of 170 degrees, ATC told us to descend and maintain 3000 ft. I read back the clearance 'descend and maintain 3000 ft.' there was no correction of my readback, so we set 3000 ft and confirmed and began the descent. At 4000 ft, we confirmed 1000 ft to go as per company policy. At approximately 3450 ft, we received a GPWS 'terrain.' my first officer performed the escape maneuver and simultaneously we received a transmission from ATC 'air carrier X you were cleared to 4000 ft.' we leveled at 4000 ft and landed with no further incident. Once on the ground at the gate my first officer asked the ground controller if approach controller was in training. The reply was no, they were just extremely busy. I know that area is very busy with a lot of aircraft and when the WX moves in, it can be a mess. I believe all in all, the controllers do a wonderful job, I am not aware of their procedures. Do they have someone helping or watching them especially when it gets hectic? As for my crew, we were fresh, first leg of the trip. We had flown 1 trip together before this one. We both heard 3000 ft and followed procedures for our company. If we did actually hear incorrectly, which ATC's calls 'you were cleared to 4000 ft' and the GPWS 'terrain' call would make us believe. Possibly closer monitoring would help.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CL65 RECEIVE A GPWS WARNING WHEN THEY HEARD AND READ BACK AN ALT ASSIGNMENT WHICH ENDED UP BEING 1000 FT LOWER THAN INTENDED.
Narrative: GOING INTO SWF, NEW YORK APCH GAVE US A HDG OF 170 DEGS AND 6000 FT. ONCE ON THE HDG OF 170 DEGS, ATC TOLD US TO DSND AND MAINTAIN 3000 FT. I READ BACK THE CLRNC 'DSND AND MAINTAIN 3000 FT.' THERE WAS NO CORRECTION OF MY READBACK, SO WE SET 3000 FT AND CONFIRMED AND BEGAN THE DSCNT. AT 4000 FT, WE CONFIRMED 1000 FT TO GO AS PER COMPANY POLICY. AT APPROX 3450 FT, WE RECEIVED A GPWS 'TERRAIN.' MY FO PERFORMED THE ESCAPE MANEUVER AND SIMULTANEOUSLY WE RECEIVED A XMISSION FROM ATC 'ACR X YOU WERE CLRED TO 4000 FT.' WE LEVELED AT 4000 FT AND LANDED WITH NO FURTHER INCIDENT. ONCE ON THE GND AT THE GATE MY FO ASKED THE GND CTLR IF APCH CTLR WAS IN TRAINING. THE REPLY WAS NO, THEY WERE JUST EXTREMELY BUSY. I KNOW THAT AREA IS VERY BUSY WITH A LOT OF ACFT AND WHEN THE WX MOVES IN, IT CAN BE A MESS. I BELIEVE ALL IN ALL, THE CTLRS DO A WONDERFUL JOB, I AM NOT AWARE OF THEIR PROCS. DO THEY HAVE SOMEONE HELPING OR WATCHING THEM ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GETS HECTIC? AS FOR MY CREW, WE WERE FRESH, FIRST LEG OF THE TRIP. WE HAD FLOWN 1 TRIP TOGETHER BEFORE THIS ONE. WE BOTH HEARD 3000 FT AND FOLLOWED PROCS FOR OUR COMPANY. IF WE DID ACTUALLY HEAR INCORRECTLY, WHICH ATC'S CALLS 'YOU WERE CLRED TO 4000 FT' AND THE GPWS 'TERRAIN' CALL WOULD MAKE US BELIEVE. POSSIBLY CLOSER MONITORING WOULD HELP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.