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Attributes | |
ACN | 619086 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 2100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 619086 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented other |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I'm the captain and I take full responsibility. They changed runways from runway 17L to runway 17C and cleared direct jiffy NDB. It was already set raw data. The first officer started messing with the FMS to change runways. I said follow the NDB. He continued to mess around with the box. He said he had the airport visually. I said, 'I have the airport but not the runway.' he said he had it and we were asked if we wanted a visual. He led me to believe he had the runway so I accepted the visual. I looked over and saw he was still in missed approach mode. I looked up and said I had full scale deflection on my localizer and told the first officer. I looked at the airport and saw we were past the terminals and immediately got on the radio, told tower we were correcting. Luckily there were no other airplanes in our path. The week before, the first officer blew through the final at ord after repeated warnings to slow down and get stabilized. This was also precipitated by too much reliance and fixation on the box. This is my fault and hopefully it won't happen again. When I talk to these guys about how we could have avoided this, or prevent it in the future, they are very defensive and act as if it was okay. It wasn't. I guess I have to throw the mister nice guy stuff in the toilet and tell them there is no such thing as constructive criticism, it's just criticism.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MD80 CAPT EXPRESSED DISSATISFACTION WITH HIS FO AFTER THEY OVERSHOT THE RWY AT DFW DURING A VISUAL APCH.
Narrative: I'M THE CAPT AND I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY. THEY CHANGED RWYS FROM RWY 17L TO RWY 17C AND CLRED DIRECT JIFFY NDB. IT WAS ALREADY SET RAW DATA. THE FO STARTED MESSING WITH THE FMS TO CHANGE RWYS. I SAID FOLLOW THE NDB. HE CONTINUED TO MESS AROUND WITH THE BOX. HE SAID HE HAD THE ARPT VISUALLY. I SAID, 'I HAVE THE ARPT BUT NOT THE RWY.' HE SAID HE HAD IT AND WE WERE ASKED IF WE WANTED A VISUAL. HE LED ME TO BELIEVE HE HAD THE RWY SO I ACCEPTED THE VISUAL. I LOOKED OVER AND SAW HE WAS STILL IN MISSED APCH MODE. I LOOKED UP AND SAID I HAD FULL SCALE DEFLECTION ON MY LOC AND TOLD THE FO. I LOOKED AT THE ARPT AND SAW WE WERE PAST THE TERMINALS AND IMMEDIATELY GOT ON THE RADIO, TOLD TWR WE WERE CORRECTING. LUCKILY THERE WERE NO OTHER AIRPLANES IN OUR PATH. THE WK BEFORE, THE FO BLEW THROUGH THE FINAL AT ORD AFTER REPEATED WARNINGS TO SLOW DOWN AND GET STABILIZED. THIS WAS ALSO PRECIPITATED BY TOO MUCH RELIANCE AND FIXATION ON THE BOX. THIS IS MY FAULT AND HOPEFULLY IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN. WHEN I TALK TO THESE GUYS ABOUT HOW WE COULD HAVE AVOIDED THIS, OR PREVENT IT IN THE FUTURE, THEY ARE VERY DEFENSIVE AND ACT AS IF IT WAS OKAY. IT WASN'T. I GUESS I HAVE TO THROW THE MISTER NICE GUY STUFF IN THE TOILET AND TELL THEM THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, IT'S JUST CRITICISM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.