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Attributes | |
ACN | 620438 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : lga.vor |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 46 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 620438 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Established on visual to runway 31 at lga when tower called traffic to follow at 12 O'clock position. The captain and I saw an aircraft at approximately 12 O'clock position, turning around shea stadium on 1-2 mi final. We were 2 mi inbound from point 'dials' (about 4 mi from landing). We were following air carrier Y to final. When 1 1/2 mi from touchdown (circling around shea stadium ourselves), the TCASII RA called 'traffic' as tower directed a hard right turn. I saw an aircraft approximately 500 ft away at co-altitude also tracking inbound to runway 31. We executed the avoidance maneuver and rejoined final. Tower later told us that the aircraft we barely avoided air carrier Z, had been preceding us on the expressway visual but had 'extended their final' by some maneuver that resulted in them rejoining the published maneuver at the same place and time as us. We were cleared for and established on the published visual approach procedure and notified to follow traffic 3 mi ahead. This made sense. When air carrier Z showed up out of no where, tower indicated that we were supposed to follow him! Since he had deviated from the published maneuver (and was off somewhere getting spacing), we did not see him. If we were 4 mi out, how could tower have 1 aircraft at 1 mi out and we be #3 for landing? Tower lost situational awareness on air carrier Z and did not notify us of his position or that he was rejoining the visual ground track. A near midair was the result.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD88 FLT CREW EXPERIENCED CONFLICT WITH PRECEDING ACFT DURING VISUAL APCH TO LGA.
Narrative: ESTABLISHED ON VISUAL TO RWY 31 AT LGA WHEN TWR CALLED TFC TO FOLLOW AT 12 O'CLOCK POS. THE CAPT AND I SAW AN ACFT AT APPROX 12 O'CLOCK POS, TURNING AROUND SHEA STADIUM ON 1-2 MI FINAL. WE WERE 2 MI INBOUND FROM POINT 'DIALS' (ABOUT 4 MI FROM LNDG). WE WERE FOLLOWING ACR Y TO FINAL. WHEN 1 1/2 MI FROM TOUCHDOWN (CIRCLING AROUND SHEA STADIUM OURSELVES), THE TCASII RA CALLED 'TFC' AS TWR DIRECTED A HARD R TURN. I SAW AN ACFT APPROX 500 FT AWAY AT CO-ALT ALSO TRACKING INBOUND TO RWY 31. WE EXECUTED THE AVOIDANCE MANEUVER AND REJOINED FINAL. TWR LATER TOLD US THAT THE ACFT WE BARELY AVOIDED ACR Z, HAD BEEN PRECEDING US ON THE EXPRESSWAY VISUAL BUT HAD 'EXTENDED THEIR FINAL' BY SOME MANEUVER THAT RESULTED IN THEM REJOINING THE PUBLISHED MANEUVER AT THE SAME PLACE AND TIME AS US. WE WERE CLRED FOR AND ESTABLISHED ON THE PUBLISHED VISUAL APCH PROC AND NOTIFIED TO FOLLOW TFC 3 MI AHEAD. THIS MADE SENSE. WHEN ACR Z SHOWED UP OUT OF NO WHERE, TWR INDICATED THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW HIM! SINCE HE HAD DEVIATED FROM THE PUBLISHED MANEUVER (AND WAS OFF SOMEWHERE GETTING SPACING), WE DID NOT SEE HIM. IF WE WERE 4 MI OUT, HOW COULD TWR HAVE 1 ACFT AT 1 MI OUT AND WE BE #3 FOR LNDG? TWR LOST SITUATIONAL AWARENESS ON ACR Z AND DID NOT NOTIFY US OF HIS POS OR THAT HE WAS REJOINING THE VISUAL GND TRACK. A NEAR MIDAIR WAS THE RESULT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.