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Attributes | |
ACN | 620458 |
Time | |
Date | 200406 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : teb.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 9 flight time total : 90 flight time type : 90 |
ASRS Report | 620458 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance FAA Environmental Factor Airspace Structure Navigational Facility |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I departed teb for a short local flight (less than 1 hour) around the statue of liberty and flew over the hudson river. As part of my preflight, I used a GA flight planner and checked for tfr's around the area. Unsure about stadium related flight restrs, I asked in my flight school at my arrival to the airport, but was told that no tfr was in effect. I checked teb and lga ATIS for NOTAMS but none were related to yankee stadium. I proceeded towards the statue of liberty and then northbound towards george washington bridge over the hudson river below 1000 ft MSL. Shortly before the bridge, I was able to see the stadium and saw the lights on. 1 NM north of the bridge, I contacted teb and returned to land. Ground requested me to call the lga tower, and was informed of my intrusion into a tfr. Before this incident, I thought that a stadium related restr required the FAA to issue a tfr, and expected to find it in the flight planner. I now researched more about it, and learned about blanket NOTAMS and mode of operation. FSS's briefings never specify if the yankee stadium tfr is active. I now know that it is better to call on the phone to lga tower to make sure about tfr's in effect, and reconfirm while on the air with new york approach. It's very difficult to know which stadiums have more than 30000 seats in united states of america and their location. I would like to suggest that NOTAMS 3/1862 should be converted into permanent tfr, so that all planning software that download tfr information from FAA server will show such restrs, and provide the best frequencys/phone numbers to use for verification purposes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LOW TIME C172 PVT PLT ENTERS THE TFR AIRSPACE NEAR YANKEE STADIUM DURING A VFR PLEASURE FLT NEAR DUSK 5 MI E OF TEB, NJ.
Narrative: I DEPARTED TEB FOR A SHORT LCL FLT (LESS THAN 1 HR) AROUND THE STATUE OF LIBERTY AND FLEW OVER THE HUDSON RIVER. AS PART OF MY PREFLT, I USED A GA FLT PLANNER AND CHKED FOR TFR'S AROUND THE AREA. UNSURE ABOUT STADIUM RELATED FLT RESTRS, I ASKED IN MY FLT SCHOOL AT MY ARR TO THE ARPT, BUT WAS TOLD THAT NO TFR WAS IN EFFECT. I CHKED TEB AND LGA ATIS FOR NOTAMS BUT NONE WERE RELATED TO YANKEE STADIUM. I PROCEEDED TOWARDS THE STATUE OF LIBERTY AND THEN NBOUND TOWARDS GEORGE WASHINGTON BRIDGE OVER THE HUDSON RIVER BELOW 1000 FT MSL. SHORTLY BEFORE THE BRIDGE, I WAS ABLE TO SEE THE STADIUM AND SAW THE LIGHTS ON. 1 NM N OF THE BRIDGE, I CONTACTED TEB AND RETURNED TO LAND. GND REQUESTED ME TO CALL THE LGA TWR, AND WAS INFORMED OF MY INTRUSION INTO A TFR. BEFORE THIS INCIDENT, I THOUGHT THAT A STADIUM RELATED RESTR REQUIRED THE FAA TO ISSUE A TFR, AND EXPECTED TO FIND IT IN THE FLT PLANNER. I NOW RESEARCHED MORE ABOUT IT, AND LEARNED ABOUT BLANKET NOTAMS AND MODE OF OP. FSS'S BRIEFINGS NEVER SPECIFY IF THE YANKEE STADIUM TFR IS ACTIVE. I NOW KNOW THAT IT IS BETTER TO CALL ON THE PHONE TO LGA TWR TO MAKE SURE ABOUT TFR'S IN EFFECT, AND RECONFIRM WHILE ON THE AIR WITH NEW YORK APCH. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHICH STADIUMS HAVE MORE THAN 30000 SEATS IN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THEIR LOCATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT NOTAMS 3/1862 SHOULD BE CONVERTED INTO PERMANENT TFR, SO THAT ALL PLANNING SOFTWARE THAT DOWNLOAD TFR INFO FROM FAA SERVER WILL SHOW SUCH RESTRS, AND PROVIDE THE BEST FREQS/PHONE NUMBERS TO USE FOR VERIFICATION PURPOSES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.