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Attributes | |
ACN | 621452 |
Time | |
Date | 200406 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : reptl |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 23000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhu.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : holding descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors arrival star : rokit |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | controller non radar : 13 controller radar : 13 controller supervisory : 6.5 flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 621452 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : returned to original clearance flight crew : overrode automation flight crew : became reoriented |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were on the rokit 7 arrival going into iah. ATC gave us vectors off the arrival for spacing. ATC then told us to go direct reptl and hold as published. Reptl was not part of our transition on the arrival. It took some time to locate reptl on the arrival. We needed to locate the fix on the chart to get the proper spelling for the FMS and to determine the proper entry for the hold. By the time we put the fix in the FMS and hit direct, we were basically right on top of reptl. We had insufficient time to set up the hold and determine the entry. The FMS would not accept the hold because we were too close to the fix, so we needed to use the FMS to fly direct to the fix and use the green needles (VOR radial without FMS) for the hold. Reptl was off a VOR (that was not on the arrival, so we needed to locate it to find the frequency) at a DME distance. By the time we had set up for the hold and determined the proper entry, we were past reptl. So we told ATC that we were going to make a right turn back to reptl to enter the hold (on the protected side). We turned back to reptl and entered the hold. We entered the hold at approximately 300 KTS. We also forgot to inform ATC that we entered the hold until our second turn in the holding pattern. We entered the hold fast because we were busy getting set up for the hold. I believe the contributing factors in this situation were: the lack of time to get set up for the hold, and the crew being unfamiliar with the arrival.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HOLDING PATTERN ENTRY OVERSHOT AT TOO HIGH AN AIRSPD BY THE FLT CREW OF AN EMB145 WHEN AN AMENDED CLRNC FOR THE HOLD CAUGHT THEM BY SURPRISE ON THE ROKIT 7 ARR INTO IAH, TX.
Narrative: WE WERE ON THE ROKIT 7 ARR GOING INTO IAH. ATC GAVE US VECTORS OFF THE ARR FOR SPACING. ATC THEN TOLD US TO GO DIRECT REPTL AND HOLD AS PUBLISHED. REPTL WAS NOT PART OF OUR TRANSITION ON THE ARR. IT TOOK SOME TIME TO LOCATE REPTL ON THE ARR. WE NEEDED TO LOCATE THE FIX ON THE CHART TO GET THE PROPER SPELLING FOR THE FMS AND TO DETERMINE THE PROPER ENTRY FOR THE HOLD. BY THE TIME WE PUT THE FIX IN THE FMS AND HIT DIRECT, WE WERE BASICALLY RIGHT ON TOP OF REPTL. WE HAD INSUFFICIENT TIME TO SET UP THE HOLD AND DETERMINE THE ENTRY. THE FMS WOULD NOT ACCEPT THE HOLD BECAUSE WE WERE TOO CLOSE TO THE FIX, SO WE NEEDED TO USE THE FMS TO FLY DIRECT TO THE FIX AND USE THE GREEN NEEDLES (VOR RADIAL WITHOUT FMS) FOR THE HOLD. REPTL WAS OFF A VOR (THAT WAS NOT ON THE ARR, SO WE NEEDED TO LOCATE IT TO FIND THE FREQ) AT A DME DISTANCE. BY THE TIME WE HAD SET UP FOR THE HOLD AND DETERMINED THE PROPER ENTRY, WE WERE PAST REPTL. SO WE TOLD ATC THAT WE WERE GOING TO MAKE A R TURN BACK TO REPTL TO ENTER THE HOLD (ON THE PROTECTED SIDE). WE TURNED BACK TO REPTL AND ENTERED THE HOLD. WE ENTERED THE HOLD AT APPROX 300 KTS. WE ALSO FORGOT TO INFORM ATC THAT WE ENTERED THE HOLD UNTIL OUR SECOND TURN IN THE HOLDING PATTERN. WE ENTERED THE HOLD FAST BECAUSE WE WERE BUSY GETTING SET UP FOR THE HOLD. I BELIEVE THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS IN THIS SIT WERE: THE LACK OF TIME TO GET SET UP FOR THE HOLD, AND THE CREW BEING UNFAMILIAR WITH THE ARR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.