Flight crew departure from fxe at 7000 ft is questioned by controller regarding WX deviation request...

Attributes
ACN	622461
Time
Date	200406
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : fxe.airport
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl single value : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : mia.tracon
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Gulfstream IV
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : vacating altitude
Route In Use	departure : on vectors departure sid : nine
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	622461
Person 2
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4098 flight time type : 367
ASRS Report	622684
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Weather
Primary Problem	Weather

Narrative:

I departed ft lauderdale executive airport, fxe, runway 8, at XA16 local time. I turned to the assigned heading and altitude of 330 degrees and 2000 ft. My copilot reported into mia departure on 119.7 who told us to climb to 3000 ft on the 330 degree heading. The controller then handed us off to mia controller on 126.05. The new controller told us to turn to 270 degrees and climb to 16000 ft. My copilot, at my direction, told the controller we needed to turn right, (northeast), for WX. The controller came back on and said, 'no, I am not painting any WX, fly 270 degrees.' at that time, because we were just a moment from entering what my copilot and I perceived as hazardous WX, I broke in on the conversation and told the controller 'I don't care if you are painting WX or not. I have a large buildup in front of me and I am turning to avoid it.' the controller then said ok, I will make a note for the record. I stopped the climb and turned northeast to try and go somewhat under and around the buildup. It was too late by then and we were tossed about briefly as we skirted the WX. Popping out the backside of it, I resumed the assigned climb to 16000 ft. The controller came back on and asked if we could turn to a heading of 120 degrees, a complete course reversal. I answered that yes we were past the WX and would be glad to turn wherever she would like. We were given another right turned back to the original heading of 330 degrees, making a total 360 degree turn. These events happened very rapidly right after takeoff with very little time left to converse and maneuver. I don't understand why the controller even made the comment that she was not painting any WX. It was irrelevant. She wasn't there. She may very well have not been painting any WX as there probably wasn't enough water in the buildup to paint but it was very real to us. I would have gladly accepted any heading to help her traffic control situation as long as it was away from the WX. The controller offered no help in that regard. So I simply turned to what I saw as the best course of action at the time.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLT CREW DEP FROM FXE AT 7000 FT IS QUESTIONED BY CTLR REGARDING WX DEV REQUEST.

Narrative: I DEPARTED FT LAUDERDALE EXECUTIVE ARPT, FXE, RWY 8, AT XA16 LCL TIME. I TURNED TO THE ASSIGNED HDG AND ALT OF 330 DEGS AND 2000 FT. MY COPLT RPTED INTO MIA DEP ON 119.7 WHO TOLD US TO CLB TO 3000 FT ON THE 330 DEG HDG. THE CTLR THEN HANDED US OFF TO MIA CTLR ON 126.05. THE NEW CTLR TOLD US TO TURN TO 270 DEGS AND CLB TO 16000 FT. MY COPLT, AT MY DIRECTION, TOLD THE CTLR WE NEEDED TO TURN R, (NE), FOR WX. THE CTLR CAME BACK ON AND SAID, 'NO, I AM NOT PAINTING ANY WX, FLY 270 DEGS.' AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE WE WERE JUST A MOMENT FROM ENTERING WHAT MY COPLT AND I PERCEIVED AS HAZARDOUS WX, I BROKE IN ON THE CONVERSATION AND TOLD THE CTLR 'I DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE PAINTING WX OR NOT. I HAVE A LARGE BUILDUP IN FRONT OF ME AND I AM TURNING TO AVOID IT.' THE CTLR THEN SAID OK, I WILL MAKE A NOTE FOR THE RECORD. I STOPPED THE CLB AND TURNED NE TO TRY AND GO SOMEWHAT UNDER AND AROUND THE BUILDUP. IT WAS TOO LATE BY THEN AND WE WERE TOSSED ABOUT BRIEFLY AS WE SKIRTED THE WX. POPPING OUT THE BACKSIDE OF IT, I RESUMED THE ASSIGNED CLB TO 16000 FT. THE CTLR CAME BACK ON AND ASKED IF WE COULD TURN TO A HDG OF 120 DEGS, A COMPLETE COURSE REVERSAL. I ANSWERED THAT YES WE WERE PAST THE WX AND WOULD BE GLAD TO TURN WHEREVER SHE WOULD LIKE. WE WERE GIVEN ANOTHER R TURNED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HDG OF 330 DEGS, MAKING A TOTAL 360 DEG TURN. THESE EVENTS HAPPENED VERY RAPIDLY RIGHT AFTER TKOF WITH VERY LITTLE TIME LEFT TO CONVERSE AND MANEUVER. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE CTLR EVEN MADE THE COMMENT THAT SHE WAS NOT PAINTING ANY WX. IT WAS IRRELEVANT. SHE WASN'T THERE. SHE MAY VERY WELL HAVE NOT BEEN PAINTING ANY WX AS THERE PROBABLY WASN'T ENOUGH WATER IN THE BUILDUP TO PAINT BUT IT WAS VERY REAL TO US. I WOULD HAVE GLADLY ACCEPTED ANY HDG TO HELP HER TFC CTL SIT AS LONG AS IT WAS AWAY FROM THE WX. THE CTLR OFFERED NO HELP IN THAT REGARD. SO I SIMPLY TURNED TO WHAT I SAW AS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION AT THE TIME.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.