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Attributes | |
ACN | 625128 |
Time | |
Date | 200407 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zla.artcc |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 29000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 225 |
ASRS Report | 625128 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar/mode c other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Flight was being operated under IFR from crq to hou as a private flight. During on-course step climb we were cleared direct to ipl by ZLA. Shortly after that the ZLA controller instructed us to turn 20 degrees right for traffic. We complied with the instruction. A couple of mins later the controller reclred us direct ipl. As the aircraft banked left I looked out my window and noticed that we were very close to the us/mexico border. It even occurred to me that we might have crossed it as a result of compliance with the vector clearance. At this time the controller queried us as to our heading. We responded by stating that we were in the left turn towards ipl as previously cleared. The controller then issued a heading of 060 degrees, no reason for the heading was issued as part of that clearance. We acknowledged and complied with the clearance. Before we could complete the turn the controller amended the heading to 050 degrees. Again we acknowledged the clearance and complied with it. A few mins later (perhaps 5 mins) the controller came back on and asked us to recycle our transponder, claiming that he wasn't receiving it reliably. We acknowledged the request and complied by recycling the transponder. I gave it a min or so and then inquired as to the operation of the transponder. The controller replied that he was receiving it properly. Within 5 mins the controller we had been dealing with was relieved and a new voice came over the radio. It occurred to both the first officer and me that we had perhaps indeed traveled into mexican airspace as a result of the vector the controller had issued and that he may not have had authority/authorized to put us there. We surmised that the inquiries about our heading and about recycling the transponder seemed to support the notion of a controller attempting to cover some tracks and xfer responsibility for the transgression either to us (saying we were not flying the heading he instructed us to fly in response to our heading report as requested), or to difficulties with his equipment or ours (transponder/radar difficulties).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A G4 CREW ENRTE TO HOU BELIEVE A TURN FOR TFC MAY HAVE CAUSED THEIR FLT TO ENTER MEXICAN AIRSPACE.
Narrative: FLT WAS BEING OPERATED UNDER IFR FROM CRQ TO HOU AS A PVT FLT. DURING ON-COURSE STEP CLB WE WERE CLRED DIRECT TO IPL BY ZLA. SHORTLY AFTER THAT THE ZLA CTLR INSTRUCTED US TO TURN 20 DEGS R FOR TFC. WE COMPLIED WITH THE INSTRUCTION. A COUPLE OF MINS LATER THE CTLR RECLRED US DIRECT IPL. AS THE ACFT BANKED L I LOOKED OUT MY WINDOW AND NOTICED THAT WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO THE US/MEXICO BORDER. IT EVEN OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE MIGHT HAVE CROSSED IT AS A RESULT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE VECTOR CLRNC. AT THIS TIME THE CTLR QUERIED US AS TO OUR HDG. WE RESPONDED BY STATING THAT WE WERE IN THE L TURN TOWARDS IPL AS PREVIOUSLY CLRED. THE CTLR THEN ISSUED A HDG OF 060 DEGS, NO REASON FOR THE HDG WAS ISSUED AS PART OF THAT CLRNC. WE ACKNOWLEDGED AND COMPLIED WITH THE CLRNC. BEFORE WE COULD COMPLETE THE TURN THE CTLR AMENDED THE HDG TO 050 DEGS. AGAIN WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE CLRNC AND COMPLIED WITH IT. A FEW MINS LATER (PERHAPS 5 MINS) THE CTLR CAME BACK ON AND ASKED US TO RECYCLE OUR XPONDER, CLAIMING THAT HE WASN'T RECEIVING IT RELIABLY. WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE REQUEST AND COMPLIED BY RECYCLING THE XPONDER. I GAVE IT A MIN OR SO AND THEN INQUIRED AS TO THE OP OF THE XPONDER. THE CTLR REPLIED THAT HE WAS RECEIVING IT PROPERLY. WITHIN 5 MINS THE CTLR WE HAD BEEN DEALING WITH WAS RELIEVED AND A NEW VOICE CAME OVER THE RADIO. IT OCCURRED TO BOTH THE FO AND ME THAT WE HAD PERHAPS INDEED TRAVELED INTO MEXICAN AIRSPACE AS A RESULT OF THE VECTOR THE CTLR HAD ISSUED AND THAT HE MAY NOT HAVE HAD AUTH TO PUT US THERE. WE SURMISED THAT THE INQUIRIES ABOUT OUR HDG AND ABOUT RECYCLING THE XPONDER SEEMED TO SUPPORT THE NOTION OF A CTLR ATTEMPTING TO COVER SOME TRACKS AND XFER RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TRANSGRESSION EITHER TO US (SAYING WE WERE NOT FLYING THE HDG HE INSTRUCTED US TO FLY IN RESPONSE TO OUR HDG RPT AS REQUESTED), OR TO DIFFICULTIES WITH HIS EQUIP OR OURS (XPONDER/RADAR DIFFICULTIES).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.