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Attributes | |
ACN | 634105 |
Time | |
Date | 200410 |
Day | Sun |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ito.airport |
State Reference | HI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 38 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhn.artcc tower : ito.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B717 (Formerly MD-95) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 634105 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On taxi out for a flight from hto to hnl, the captain told me to request 'direct to julle intersection, and we will maintain our own terrain clearance' from the tower (ito). The reason he wanted me to tell the tower we would maintain our terrain clearance was because of a large mountain (13796 ft) almost in a direct line between us and julle intersection. As I was not completely sure of the legality of that procedure, even though ATC approved it, I advised the captain that 'I recommend we do not do this departure procedure.' the captain did it anyway. The flight was uneventful. However, I did not feel that it was the proper thing to do. The only thing I could do differently in the future is to just refuse the flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B717 FO EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING CAPT'S REQUEST TO PROVIDE HIS OR HER OWN TERRAIN CLRNC ON DEP FROM HTO.
Narrative: ON TAXI OUT FOR A FLT FROM HTO TO HNL, THE CAPT TOLD ME TO REQUEST 'DIRECT TO JULLE INTXN, AND WE WILL MAINTAIN OUR OWN TERRAIN CLRNC' FROM THE TWR (ITO). THE REASON HE WANTED ME TO TELL THE TWR WE WOULD MAINTAIN OUR TERRAIN CLRNC WAS BECAUSE OF A LARGE MOUNTAIN (13796 FT) ALMOST IN A DIRECT LINE BTWN US AND JULLE INTXN. AS I WAS NOT COMPLETELY SURE OF THE LEGALITY OF THAT PROC, EVEN THOUGH ATC APPROVED IT, I ADVISED THE CAPT THAT 'I RECOMMEND WE DO NOT DO THIS DEP PROC.' THE CAPT DID IT ANYWAY. THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. HOWEVER, I DID NOT FEEL THAT IT WAS THE PROPER THING TO DO. THE ONLY THING I COULD DO DIFFERENTLY IN THE FUTURE IS TO JUST REFUSE THE FLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.