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DC10 flight crew experienced near midair collision during visual approach into afw when sequenced behind T38 aircraft not in sight, both aircraft executed evasive action.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 634871 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200410 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : afw.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : afw.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : afw.tower |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Talon |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : second officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 16000 |
| ASRS Report | 634871 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 634873 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 100 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
Flight arriving at afw airport was being vectored to final approach for runway 16L from the west. The first officer was the PF. Approach control told us that we were #3 behind a company aircraft. We had heard the aircraft was to follow a C5. About 10 mi on final we were handed off to afw tower. The tower told us we were #3 following a T-38 on a l-hand downwind. The captain immediately said we did not have the traffic. The captain and myself looked for the traffic while the first officer continued the approach. Within 20 seconds, I saw the T38 at our 10 O'clock position at less than 1 mi. We got a TA and the captain said 'let's go around.' within a few seconds later, we got an RA and responded into steep climb indicated by our vsi. The T38 (which we never heard on tower frequency) went into a diving right turn and went directly underneath us. The captain leveled off the climb at 3500 ft and made sure the first officer was the PF. The tower said we were clear to land, but we declined, being completely out of position for a stabilized approach. The tower gave us a left turn to a downwind position and said squawk 1200...unable for us. The tower told us we would be #1 in front of another C5 on final. The captain declined the visual approach (flight visibility was MVFR). We returned to approach control and got vectored to a reasonable approach and landing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC10 FLT CREW EXPERIENCED NMAC DURING VISUAL APCH INTO AFW WHEN SEQUENCED BEHIND T38 ACFT NOT IN SIGHT, BOTH ACFT EXECUTED EVASIVE ACTION.
Narrative: FLT ARRIVING AT AFW ARPT WAS BEING VECTORED TO FINAL APCH FOR RWY 16L FROM THE W. THE FO WAS THE PF. APCH CTL TOLD US THAT WE WERE #3 BEHIND A COMPANY ACFT. WE HAD HEARD THE ACFT WAS TO FOLLOW A C5. ABOUT 10 MI ON FINAL WE WERE HANDED OFF TO AFW TWR. THE TWR TOLD US WE WERE #3 FOLLOWING A T-38 ON A L-HAND DOWNWIND. THE CAPT IMMEDIATELY SAID WE DID NOT HAVE THE TFC. THE CAPT AND MYSELF LOOKED FOR THE TFC WHILE THE FO CONTINUED THE APCH. WITHIN 20 SECONDS, I SAW THE T38 AT OUR 10 O'CLOCK POS AT LESS THAN 1 MI. WE GOT A TA AND THE CAPT SAID 'LET'S GO AROUND.' WITHIN A FEW SECONDS LATER, WE GOT AN RA AND RESPONDED INTO STEEP CLB INDICATED BY OUR VSI. THE T38 (WHICH WE NEVER HEARD ON TWR FREQ) WENT INTO A DIVING R TURN AND WENT DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH US. THE CAPT LEVELED OFF THE CLB AT 3500 FT AND MADE SURE THE FO WAS THE PF. THE TWR SAID WE WERE CLR TO LAND, BUT WE DECLINED, BEING COMPLETELY OUT OF POS FOR A STABILIZED APCH. THE TWR GAVE US A L TURN TO A DOWNWIND POS AND SAID SQUAWK 1200...UNABLE FOR US. THE TWR TOLD US WE WOULD BE #1 IN FRONT OF ANOTHER C5 ON FINAL. THE CAPT DECLINED THE VISUAL APCH (FLT VISIBILITY WAS MVFR). WE RETURNED TO APCH CTL AND GOT VECTORED TO A REASONABLE APCH AND LNDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.