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The pilot of a BE55 wants to have low altitude airway V-25 separated from restr area 2504. Situation posed that when on an IFR flight plan, he may have illegally penetrated R-2504 10 mi northwest of prb.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 640069 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200411 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : prb.vortac |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa.artcc tower : fat.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Baron 55/Cochise |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 175 |
| ASRS Report | 640069 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
On IFR flight plan from smo to sql at 10000 ft MSL, departed prb VOR on V-25 nwbound. Entered restr area R-2504 as a result of being left (west) of airway. Restr area R-2504 should be re-defined west of V-25 or V-25 should have an angle point to a new intersection east of the restr area. It appears the edge of the airway takes you through the edge of the restr area. The proximity of V-25 to the restr area is a problem that should be corrected. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: pilot had filed V-25 which passes through a part of the eastern edge of R-2504. When near prb VORTAC, ZOA controller gave pilot direct to eugen intersection, placing the aircraft on a northwest heading, passing his aircraft directly through the center of that area. Reporter wanted to know if FAA should change the area's boundary or move the airway east of it as he felt that he may have illegally entered that area. Reporter was counseled on the area's controling agency and their jurisdiction over the active levels of the area. Reporter only wanted to know if he needed a special clearance to go through R-2504. So far as he knows, the area was not hot and ATC made no remarks about his presence within the area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE PLT OF A BE55 WANTS TO HAVE LOW ALT AIRWAY V-25 SEPARATED FROM RESTR AREA 2504. SIT POSED THAT WHEN ON AN IFR FLT PLAN, HE MAY HAVE ILLEGALLY PENETRATED R-2504 10 MI NW OF PRB.
Narrative: ON IFR FLT PLAN FROM SMO TO SQL AT 10000 FT MSL, DEPARTED PRB VOR ON V-25 NWBOUND. ENTERED RESTR AREA R-2504 AS A RESULT OF BEING L (W) OF AIRWAY. RESTR AREA R-2504 SHOULD BE RE-DEFINED W OF V-25 OR V-25 SHOULD HAVE AN ANGLE POINT TO A NEW INTXN E OF THE RESTR AREA. IT APPEARS THE EDGE OF THE AIRWAY TAKES YOU THROUGH THE EDGE OF THE RESTR AREA. THE PROX OF V-25 TO THE RESTR AREA IS A PROB THAT SHOULD BE CORRECTED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: PLT HAD FILED V-25 WHICH PASSES THROUGH A PART OF THE EASTERN EDGE OF R-2504. WHEN NEAR PRB VORTAC, ZOA CTLR GAVE PLT DIRECT TO EUGEN INTXN, PLACING THE ACFT ON A NW HDG, PASSING HIS ACFT DIRECTLY THROUGH THE CTR OF THAT AREA. RPTR WANTED TO KNOW IF FAA SHOULD CHANGE THE AREA'S BOUNDARY OR MOVE THE AIRWAY E OF IT AS HE FELT THAT HE MAY HAVE ILLEGALLY ENTERED THAT AREA. RPTR WAS COUNSELED ON THE AREA'S CTLING AGENCY AND THEIR JURISDICTION OVER THE ACTIVE LEVELS OF THE AREA. RPTR ONLY WANTED TO KNOW IF HE NEEDED A SPECIAL CLRNC TO GO THROUGH R-2504. SO FAR AS HE KNOWS, THE AREA WAS NOT HOT AND ATC MADE NO REMARKS ABOUT HIS PRESENCE WITHIN THE AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.