37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 641322 |
Time | |
Date | 200412 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | other |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 31 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 31 |
Flight Phase | landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 2820 |
ASRS Report | 641322 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 4700 |
ASRS Report | 641633 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : gpws other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor Airport ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | other physical facility |
Narrative:
I had a situation that really concerned me during the localizer approach to runway 31 at lga last night. The WX kept going in and out of minimums, and an air carrier Y flight had gone around, but 3 other airplanes landed after him. The air carrier Y flight had requested a change to runway 4, but was denied by approach control. Big difference on the visibility reported by ATIS vs tower. At one point the ATIS reported visibility at 1 mi, but tower reported 2.5 miles. By the time we turned to final approach, lga tower reported visibility at 1.75 NM, required visibility for the localizer approach is 1.5 NM. We set a da of 650 ft for the constant descent approach procedure app, and when the first officer called approaching da, we both looked outside and saw what looked like red lights for the VASI for runway 31. Visibility was marginal, but we both thought we had the runway environment in sight. As we got closer (and this happened pretty fast), we realized that the VASI was actually farther down, and what we were initially looking at was actually the red lights on top of the sheraton hotel, which is perfectly lined up on final approach to runway 31. At the same time we got an 'obstacle ahead, pull up' from GPWS. I immediately added power and pulled up to stop the warning. We could both see the top of the building, and the runway. Since the warning stopped, and we were still in a position to land, we continued the approach to an uneventful landing. We estimated visibility to be right at minimums, with winds 010 at 13 KTS. We set an initial V/south of 700 FPM, and later increased it to 800 FPM. With these conditions, an ILS to runway 4 would have been more prudent, if not safer. As a minimum, I advocate for a note in the approach plate for the localizer runway 31 about the sheraton hotel and its red lights on top. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: both pilots interpreted the hotel lights as VASI lights. After responding to the GPWS warning, they saw the VASI lights further down the runway. The captain thinks there should be a warning on the approach plate. Supplemental information from acn 641633: during localizer runway 31 approach to lga, I was the non-flying pilot and at decision altitude I called lights in sight. I had observed red lights slightly left of our course and thought them to be VASI's. A split second later I realized that they were not the VASI's, but lights on the side of the building. At the same time looking further into the distance, I could see the actual VASI's. Within seconds of spotting the real VASI's, the enhanced GPWS sounded, 'pull up obstacle.' since we were VMC at this point, we continued the approach, because we could see the runway and the building that was causing the GPWS to sound. At no time was the flight unsafe, however, I believe crews should be cautioned on this approach that lights on a building could be mistaken for runway environment. I should mention that as we were approaching decision height, I was slightly distracted when tower used our call sign for the aircraft that was clearing the runway in front of us while giving them taxi instructions. Callback conversation with reporter acn 641633 revealed the following information: reporter stated that the visual interferences are red and white lights atop the sheraton hotel in flushing, ny. On the day in question the airport had also given ILS apches to runway 4 but switched back to runway 31. Another air carrier had conducted a go around to runway 31 prior to the crew's approach. The reporter questions why the tower was not giving precision apches in low visibility and snow.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757-200 FLT CREW MISTOOK A HOTEL'S RED LIGHTS FOR THE VASI DURING A LOW VIS NON PRECISION APCH TO RWY 31 AT LGA. THE CREW ALSO RECEIVED A GPWS PULL UP ALERT.
Narrative: I HAD A SIT THAT REALLY CONCERNED ME DURING THE LOC APCH TO RWY 31 AT LGA LAST NIGHT. THE WX KEPT GOING IN AND OUT OF MINIMUMS, AND AN ACR Y FLT HAD GONE AROUND, BUT 3 OTHER AIRPLANES LANDED AFTER HIM. THE ACR Y FLT HAD REQUESTED A CHANGE TO RWY 4, BUT WAS DENIED BY APCH CTL. BIG DIFFERENCE ON THE VISIBILITY RPTED BY ATIS VS TWR. AT ONE POINT THE ATIS RPTED VIS AT 1 MI, BUT TWR RPTED 2.5 MILES. BY THE TIME WE TURNED TO FINAL APCH, LGA TWR RPTED VIS AT 1.75 NM, REQUIRED VIS FOR THE LOC APCH IS 1.5 NM. WE SET A DA OF 650 FT FOR THE CONSTANT DESCENT APCH PROC APP, AND WHEN THE FO CALLED APCHING DA, WE BOTH LOOKED OUTSIDE AND SAW WHAT LOOKED LIKE RED LIGHTS FOR THE VASI FOR RWY 31. VISIBILITY WAS MARGINAL, BUT WE BOTH THOUGHT WE HAD THE RWY ENVIRONMENT IN SIGHT. AS WE GOT CLOSER (AND THIS HAPPENED PRETTY FAST), WE REALIZED THAT THE VASI WAS ACTUALLY FARTHER DOWN, AND WHAT WE WERE INITIALLY LOOKING AT WAS ACTUALLY THE RED LIGHTS ON TOP OF THE SHERATON HOTEL, WHICH IS PERFECTLY LINED UP ON FINAL APCH TO RWY 31. AT THE SAME TIME WE GOT AN 'OBSTACLE AHEAD, PULL UP' FROM GPWS. I IMMEDIATELY ADDED POWER AND PULLED UP TO STOP THE WARNING. WE COULD BOTH SEE THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, AND THE RWY. SINCE THE WARNING STOPPED, AND WE WERE STILL IN A POSITION TO LAND, WE CONTINUED THE APCH TO AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG. WE ESTIMATED VISIBILITY TO BE RIGHT AT MINIMUMS, WITH WINDS 010 AT 13 KTS. WE SET AN INITIAL V/S OF 700 FPM, AND LATER INCREASED IT TO 800 FPM. WITH THESE CONDITIONS, AN ILS TO RWY 4 WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PRUDENT, IF NOT SAFER. AS A MINIMUM, I ADVOCATE FOR A NOTE IN THE APCH PLATE FOR THE LOC RWY 31 ABOUT THE SHERATON HOTEL AND ITS RED LIGHTS ON TOP. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: BOTH PLTS INTERPRETED THE HOTEL LIGHTS AS VASI LIGHTS. AFTER RESPONDING TO THE GPWS WARNING, THEY SAW THE VASI LIGHTS FURTHER DOWN THE RWY. THE CAPT THINKS THERE SHOULD BE A WARNING ON THE APCH PLATE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 641633: DURING LOC RWY 31 APCH TO LGA, I WAS THE NON-FLYING PLT AND AT DECISION ALT I CALLED LIGHTS IN SIGHT. I HAD OBSERVED RED LIGHTS SLIGHTLY L OF OUR COURSE AND THOUGHT THEM TO BE VASI'S. A SPLIT SECOND LATER I REALIZED THAT THEY WERE NOT THE VASI'S, BUT LIGHTS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AT THE SAME TIME LOOKING FURTHER INTO THE DISTANCE, I COULD SEE THE ACTUAL VASI'S. WITHIN SECONDS OF SPOTTING THE REAL VASI'S, THE ENHANCED GPWS SOUNDED, 'PULL UP OBSTACLE.' SINCE WE WERE VMC AT THIS POINT, WE CONTINUED THE APCH, BECAUSE WE COULD SEE THE RWY AND THE BUILDING THAT WAS CAUSING THE GPWS TO SOUND. AT NO TIME WAS THE FLT UNSAFE, HOWEVER, I BELIEVE CREWS SHOULD BE CAUTIONED ON THIS APCH THAT LIGHTS ON A BUILDING COULD BE MISTAKEN FOR RWY ENVIRONMENT. I SHOULD MENTION THAT AS WE WERE APCHING DECISION HEIGHT, I WAS SLIGHTLY DISTRACTED WHEN TWR USED OUR CALL SIGN FOR THE ACFT THAT WAS CLRING THE RWY IN FRONT OF US WHILE GIVING THEM TAXI INSTRUCTIONS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR ACN 641633 REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE VISUAL INTERFERENCES ARE RED AND WHITE LIGHTS ATOP THE SHERATON HOTEL IN FLUSHING, NY. ON THE DAY IN QUESTION THE ARPT HAD ALSO GIVEN ILS APCHES TO RWY 4 BUT SWITCHED BACK TO RWY 31. ANOTHER ACR HAD CONDUCTED A GO AROUND TO RWY 31 PRIOR TO THE CREW'S APCH. THE RPTR QUESTIONS WHY THE TWR WAS NOT GIVING PRECISION APCHES IN LOW VISIBILITY AND SNOW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.