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Attributes | |
ACN | 649532 |
Time | |
Date | 200503 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : teb 5 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On teb 5 departure from teb; we experienced and were temporarily distracted by an autothrottle problem (it would not engage) during the takeoff/climb regime. The initial departure procedure stated that we were to maintain 1500 ft MSL until crossing the 4.5 DME of teb VOR. Due to the autothrottle problem; compounded by ATC frequency change instruction shortly after liftoff; and very light weight; we exceeded the 1500 ft MSL restr and did not level off until 1900 ft MSL where we started to descend back to the proper altitude; and simultaneously; departure control advised us of our altitude. The PF had the altitude select set at 2000 ft (the final cleared altitude on the departure procedure) instead of the lower 1500 ft which may have added to the situation. Although at the time of preflight briefing; both pilots were aware of the 1500 ft restr. The PNF; with heads down to change frequency; did not catch this altitude deviation until passing the 1500 ft. Estimated total time from lift-off to level off at 1900 ft was approximately 35 second due to high performance. The short time to level off; I am sure added to the problem. No other aircraft were involved. Aircraft returned to 1500 ft and no further problems were encountered. I believe that low level-off altitudes; especially in highly congested areas; are a potential problem. I realize that in many cases it is impossible to use more realistic altitude restrs; however; factors such as aircraft performance; time to change ATC frequencys; turns etc in addition to the occasional operational problem; should more realistically be taken into account when designing departure procedures or giving restrs before departure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A G4 DEPARTING ON TEB 5 (TEB) EXCEEDED THE INITIAL 1500 FT ALT BUT DSNDED DOWN WHILE TROUBLESHOOTING AN AUTOTHROTTLE PROB.
Narrative: ON TEB 5 DEP FROM TEB; WE EXPERIENCED AND WERE TEMPORARILY DISTRACTED BY AN AUTOTHROTTLE PROB (IT WOULD NOT ENGAGE) DURING THE TKOF/CLB REGIME. THE INITIAL DEP PROC STATED THAT WE WERE TO MAINTAIN 1500 FT MSL UNTIL CROSSING THE 4.5 DME OF TEB VOR. DUE TO THE AUTOTHROTTLE PROB; COMPOUNDED BY ATC FREQ CHANGE INSTRUCTION SHORTLY AFTER LIFTOFF; AND VERY LIGHT WT; WE EXCEEDED THE 1500 FT MSL RESTR AND DID NOT LEVEL OFF UNTIL 1900 FT MSL WHERE WE STARTED TO DSND BACK TO THE PROPER ALT; AND SIMULTANEOUSLY; DEP CTL ADVISED US OF OUR ALT. THE PF HAD THE ALT SELECT SET AT 2000 FT (THE FINAL CLRED ALT ON THE DEP PROC) INSTEAD OF THE LOWER 1500 FT WHICH MAY HAVE ADDED TO THE SIT. ALTHOUGH AT THE TIME OF PREFLT BRIEFING; BOTH PLTS WERE AWARE OF THE 1500 FT RESTR. THE PNF; WITH HEADS DOWN TO CHANGE FREQ; DID NOT CATCH THIS ALT DEVIATION UNTIL PASSING THE 1500 FT. ESTIMATED TOTAL TIME FROM LIFT-OFF TO LEVEL OFF AT 1900 FT WAS APPROX 35 SEC DUE TO HIGH PERFORMANCE. THE SHORT TIME TO LEVEL OFF; I AM SURE ADDED TO THE PROB. NO OTHER ACFT WERE INVOLVED. ACFT RETURNED TO 1500 FT AND NO FURTHER PROBS WERE ENCOUNTERED. I BELIEVE THAT LOW LEVEL-OFF ALTS; ESPECIALLY IN HIGHLY CONGESTED AREAS; ARE A POTENTIAL PROB. I REALIZE THAT IN MANY CASES IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO USE MORE REALISTIC ALT RESTRS; HOWEVER; FACTORS SUCH AS ACFT PERFORMANCE; TIME TO CHANGE ATC FREQS; TURNS ETC IN ADDITION TO THE OCCASIONAL OPERATIONAL PROB; SHOULD MORE REALISTICALLY BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN DESIGNING DEP PROCS OR GIVING RESTRS BEFORE DEP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.