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Attributes | |
ACN | 653266 |
Time | |
Date | 200504 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 428 flight time total : 7900 flight time type : 2610 |
ASRS Report | 653266 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Rls 01 fpf showed ZFW of 132.6. ZZZ1 ATIS information; xa:56Z. Pulled up runway data for runway 22L at ZZZ1; ZFW 120.1P; fuel on board (fob) 18.8; tog 138.2P. Notified dispatch who sent an amended rls 01. Taxied to runway 22L; had to send a message to load planning via miscellaneous lp with passenger count; waited 5-10 minutes for final weights. Tower changed from runway 22L to 27L. Pulled up data for runway 27L; showed a ZFW of 131.9P; tog 138.5P flaps 1. Weight manifest was received; ZFW 131858; tog 149958; mac 26.8. I added the fuel to the ZFW and came up with a tog of 150.3; confirming the weight manifest. Pulled up another runway data 27L and showed: ZFW 131.9F; tog 138.4F; flaps 1; EPR 1.31; atgw 140.9; atemp 148/64. Captain talked to coordination control who could not do anything; except try to call load planning and relay a message. We sent a message to miscellaneous lp to explain the situation. Coordination control came back to us and said the only thing they could see wrong was we needed a fwd cg to make us legal; mac 26.8. Coordination control called again and said load planning had made the necessary changes and we brought up another runway data 27L: ZFW 131.9F; tog 149.9; flaps 2; EPR 1.33; atgw 150.7; atemp 139/59. Never heard a response or received a message from load planning. Sent a message to dispatch to update the new ZFW and received rls 02. This is a dangerous situation; given runway data over 11000 pounds under actual weight with improper flap; EPR; and assumed temperature.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A320 CREW COMMENTS ON CENTRAL LOAD PLANNING ERRORS AND THE POSSIBILITY OF OPERATING WITH IMPROPER WT; FLAP; EPR; AND ASSUMED TEMP.
Narrative: RLS 01 FPF SHOWED ZFW OF 132.6. ZZZ1 ATIS INFO; XA:56Z. PULLED UP RWY DATA FOR RWY 22L AT ZZZ1; ZFW 120.1P; FUEL ON BOARD (FOB) 18.8; TOG 138.2P. NOTIFIED DISPATCH WHO SENT AN AMENDED RLS 01. TAXIED TO RWY 22L; HAD TO SEND A MESSAGE TO LOAD PLANNING VIA MISC LP WITH PAX COUNT; WAITED 5-10 MINUTES FOR FINAL WEIGHTS. TWR CHANGED FROM RWY 22L TO 27L. PULLED UP DATA FOR RWY 27L; SHOWED A ZFW OF 131.9P; TOG 138.5P FLAPS 1. WEIGHT MANIFEST WAS RECEIVED; ZFW 131858; TOG 149958; MAC 26.8. I ADDED THE FUEL TO THE ZFW AND CAME UP WITH A TOG OF 150.3; CONFIRMING THE WEIGHT MANIFEST. PULLED UP ANOTHER RWY DATA 27L AND SHOWED: ZFW 131.9F; TOG 138.4F; FLAPS 1; EPR 1.31; ATGW 140.9; ATEMP 148/64. CAPT TALKED TO COORDINATION CONTROL WHO COULD NOT DO ANYTHING; EXCEPT TRY TO CALL LOAD PLANNING AND RELAY A MESSAGE. WE SENT A MESSAGE TO MISC LP TO EXPLAIN THE SIT. COORDINATION CONTROL CAME BACK TO US AND SAID THE ONLY THING THEY COULD SEE WRONG WAS WE NEEDED A FWD CG TO MAKE US LEGAL; MAC 26.8. COORDINATION CONTROL CALLED AGAIN AND SAID LOAD PLANNING HAD MADE THE NECESSARY CHANGES AND WE BROUGHT UP ANOTHER RWY DATA 27L: ZFW 131.9F; TOG 149.9; FLAPS 2; EPR 1.33; ATGW 150.7; ATEMP 139/59. NEVER HEARD A RESPONSE OR RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM LOAD PLANNING. SENT A MESSAGE TO DISPATCH TO UPDATE THE NEW ZFW AND RECEIVED RLS 02. THIS IS A DANGEROUS SIT; GIVEN RWY DATA OVER 11000 LBS UNDER ACTUAL WEIGHT WITH IMPROPER FLAP; EPR; AND ASSUMED TEMP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.