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Attributes | |
ACN | 654271 |
Time | |
Date | 200504 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 654271 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Environmental Factor FAA ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Narrative:
Atl approach's to practice of 'voluntary' follow the preceding traffic visual approachs is once again reaching an obsessive level. In marginal conditions due to virga and sun angle; ATC was nearly demanding aircraft call preceding traffic in sight. In our case; they vectored us on a 90 degree angle to final and kept calling out traffic for us to call in sight so they could give us the visual. Conditions were marginal to call traffic but ok to call field; which we did. ATC would not clear us for visual approach calling field in sight. He then sarcastically said; 'you can't see that aircraft 3 mi ahead?' as we passed through the centerline and toward parallel traffic on approachs to runway 27L. We again called field and; visibility getting better; called traffic. Finally cleared for visual. Kicked off autoplt; manually maneuvered aircraft back to centerline. When ATC asked us about overshooting and we told him he didn't clear us to intercept; he told us he thought he had. If the wake turbulence doesn't kill us; the obsession to call traffic almost led to a midair.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 PLT IS CONCERNED WITH VISUAL APCH APPLICATIONS BY A80 CTLRS.
Narrative: ATL APPROACH'S TO PRACTICE OF 'VOLUNTARY' FOLLOW THE PRECEDING TFC VISUAL APCHS IS ONCE AGAIN REACHING AN OBSESSIVE LEVEL. IN MARGINAL CONDITIONS DUE TO VIRGA AND SUN ANGLE; ATC WAS NEARLY DEMANDING ACFT CALL PRECEDING TFC IN SIGHT. IN OUR CASE; THEY VECTORED US ON A 90 DEG ANGLE TO FINAL AND KEPT CALLING OUT TFC FOR US TO CALL IN SIGHT SO THEY COULD GIVE US THE VISUAL. CONDITIONS WERE MARGINAL TO CALL TFC BUT OK TO CALL FIELD; WHICH WE DID. ATC WOULD NOT CLR US FOR VISUAL APCH CALLING FIELD IN SIGHT. HE THEN SARCASTICALLY SAID; 'YOU CAN'T SEE THAT ACFT 3 MI AHEAD?' AS WE PASSED THROUGH THE CTRLINE AND TOWARD PARALLEL TFC ON APCHS TO RWY 27L. WE AGAIN CALLED FIELD AND; VISIBILITY GETTING BETTER; CALLED TFC. FINALLY CLRED FOR VISUAL. KICKED OFF AUTOPLT; MANUALLY MANEUVERED ACFT BACK TO CTRLINE. WHEN ATC ASKED US ABOUT OVERSHOOTING AND WE TOLD HIM HE DIDN'T CLR US TO INTERCEPT; HE TOLD US HE THOUGHT HE HAD. IF THE WAKE TURB DOESN'T KILL US; THE OBSESSION TO CALL TFC ALMOST LED TO A MIDAIR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.