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Attributes | |
ACN | 667364 |
Time | |
Date | 200507 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl single value : 1300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Challenger CL604 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : dalton |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 45 flight time total : 10800 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 667364 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
As runway length for this departure was a concern; I contacted the tower a week prior to be sure runway 19 would be available. They advised there would be no problem. Prior to departure on the night in question; the current ATIS indicated an 8 KT tailwind component that would prohibit our departure due to runway length. I requested a runway 1 departure and was advised that it would not be available; and that runway 19 could be issued only if I accepted the dalton visual departure. The next winds report decreased the winds enough for us to use runway 19; so that appeared to be a viable option. We were very careful to observe the altitudes and indicated speeds on the departure as this is a known area of concern at teb. We made our turn as soon as we felt it was safe to do so with a fully loaded; slow flying aircraft; which may have been a few seconds after reaching 800 ft as prescribed on the departure. We did see the aircraft in question and maintained visual separation from it. It did not generate any TCAS alerts nor did ATC did mention anything to us at the time. It was not until twelve days later that we were informed of the alleged incursion. Since we performed the turn in a timely manner and at a reduced airspeed; I did not fixate on the DME distance; so I can not say for sure what it was at the time we completed our turn.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL60 DEP FROM TEB FAILS TO COMPLY WITH PUBLISHED PROCS ON DALTON DEP.
Narrative: AS RWY LENGTH FOR THIS DEP WAS A CONCERN; I CONTACTED THE TWR A WEEK PRIOR TO BE SURE RWY 19 WOULD BE AVAILABLE. THEY ADVISED THERE WOULD BE NO PROB. PRIOR TO DEP ON THE NIGHT IN QUESTION; THE CURRENT ATIS INDICATED AN 8 KT TAILWIND COMPONENT THAT WOULD PROHIBIT OUR DEP DUE TO RWY LENGTH. I REQUESTED A RWY 1 DEP AND WAS ADVISED THAT IT WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE; AND THAT RWY 19 COULD BE ISSUED ONLY IF I ACCEPTED THE DALTON VISUAL DEP. THE NEXT WINDS RPT DECREASED THE WINDS ENOUGH FOR US TO USE RWY 19; SO THAT APPEARED TO BE A VIABLE OPTION. WE WERE VERY CAREFUL TO OBSERVE THE ALTS AND INDICATED SPEEDS ON THE DEP AS THIS IS A KNOWN AREA OF CONCERN AT TEB. WE MADE OUR TURN AS SOON AS WE FELT IT WAS SAFE TO DO SO WITH A FULLY LOADED; SLOW FLYING ACFT; WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN A FEW SECONDS AFTER REACHING 800 FT AS PRESCRIBED ON THE DEP. WE DID SEE THE ACFT IN QUESTION AND MAINTAINED VISUAL SEPARATION FROM IT. IT DID NOT GENERATE ANY TCAS ALERTS NOR DID ATC DID MENTION ANYTHING TO US AT THE TIME. IT WAS NOT UNTIL TWELVE DAYS LATER THAT WE WERE INFORMED OF THE ALLEGED INCURSION. SINCE WE PERFORMED THE TURN IN A TIMELY MANNER AND AT A REDUCED AIRSPEED; I DID NOT FIXATE ON THE DME DISTANCE; SO I CAN NOT SAY FOR SURE WHAT IT WAS AT THE TIME WE COMPLETED OUR TURN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.