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C172RG unintentional gear retraction on rollout. Instructor blames student and student blames instructor.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 668221 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200508 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
| State Reference | US |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : rjaa.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll landing : touch and go |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : student |
| ASRS Report | 668221 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical ground encounters other non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Seeking to obtain my complex rating; I called and arranged to fly with an instructor. My instructor asked if I had any time in a complex aircraft and I stated that I had a little over 1 hour approximately 2 1/2 yrs ago. I explained that my recent flying was in a very basic experimental type tail dragger that had no electronics; radios; flaps; etc. After a short explanation of equipment; startup; checklists; run-ups; clrncs; etc; we were able to depart to the training area. After arriving there; the instructor explained the gear lights; ran the gear up and down both by gear lever and manually. There was an explanation of propeller setting and one simulated emergency landing. The instructor then asked me what I wanted to do next. I stated that I 'didn't know; what do you think? You're the instructor.' he said we should go back to the airport for touch-and-goes. He felt I would get the hang of the equipment quicker if I were in the pattern. I said ok and we went back. The first 2 touch-and-goes were ok. Lndgs were bumpy. In the pattern; the instructor was doing the radios; flaps; and advising me what to do with the propeller and gear. Due to the short amount of time I had with this equipment and my lack of knowledge as to where everything was; after we would touch down; the instructor set and verified the equipment leaving me with the carburetor heat and throttle. After the second landing; I was looking out the window at the centerline; the plane felt normal and accelerating. I then saw the nose drop and we were sliding to the left. The instructor told me to pull the power back; which I did. Total time of lesson was 0.7 hours. When the instructor got out of the plane; he started telling everyone I had pulled the gear instead of giving full throttle. I was busy helping to push the plane off the runway with the other people that had come out to help. I told the instructor that I did not pull the gear. I did not know exactly where the lever was to be found in the panel. I would have to have let go of the throttle; look for the gear lever; pull it out; and lift up. I would have remembered that.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172RG UNINTENTIONAL GEAR RETRACTION ON ROLLOUT. INSTRUCTOR BLAMES STUDENT AND STUDENT BLAMES INSTRUCTOR.
Narrative: SEEKING TO OBTAIN MY COMPLEX RATING; I CALLED AND ARRANGED TO FLY WITH AN INSTRUCTOR. MY INSTRUCTOR ASKED IF I HAD ANY TIME IN A COMPLEX ACFT AND I STATED THAT I HAD A LITTLE OVER 1 HR APPROX 2 1/2 YRS AGO. I EXPLAINED THAT MY RECENT FLYING WAS IN A VERY BASIC EXPERIMENTAL TYPE TAIL DRAGGER THAT HAD NO ELECTRONICS; RADIOS; FLAPS; ETC. AFTER A SHORT EXPLANATION OF EQUIP; STARTUP; CHKLISTS; RUN-UPS; CLRNCS; ETC; WE WERE ABLE TO DEPART TO THE TRAINING AREA. AFTER ARRIVING THERE; THE INSTRUCTOR EXPLAINED THE GEAR LIGHTS; RAN THE GEAR UP AND DOWN BOTH BY GEAR LEVER AND MANUALLY. THERE WAS AN EXPLANATION OF PROP SETTING AND ONE SIMULATED EMER LNDG. THE INSTRUCTOR THEN ASKED ME WHAT I WANTED TO DO NEXT. I STATED THAT I 'DIDN'T KNOW; WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU'RE THE INSTRUCTOR.' HE SAID WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE ARPT FOR TOUCH-AND-GOES. HE FELT I WOULD GET THE HANG OF THE EQUIP QUICKER IF I WERE IN THE PATTERN. I SAID OK AND WE WENT BACK. THE FIRST 2 TOUCH-AND-GOES WERE OK. LNDGS WERE BUMPY. IN THE PATTERN; THE INSTRUCTOR WAS DOING THE RADIOS; FLAPS; AND ADVISING ME WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROP AND GEAR. DUE TO THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME I HAD WITH THIS EQUIP AND MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AS TO WHERE EVERYTHING WAS; AFTER WE WOULD TOUCH DOWN; THE INSTRUCTOR SET AND VERIFIED THE EQUIP LEAVING ME WITH THE CARB HEAT AND THROTTLE. AFTER THE SECOND LNDG; I WAS LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AT THE CTRLINE; THE PLANE FELT NORMAL AND ACCELERATING. I THEN SAW THE NOSE DROP AND WE WERE SLIDING TO THE L. THE INSTRUCTOR TOLD ME TO PULL THE PWR BACK; WHICH I DID. TOTAL TIME OF LESSON WAS 0.7 HRS. WHEN THE INSTRUCTOR GOT OUT OF THE PLANE; HE STARTED TELLING EVERYONE I HAD PULLED THE GEAR INSTEAD OF GIVING FULL THROTTLE. I WAS BUSY HELPING TO PUSH THE PLANE OFF THE RWY WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAD COME OUT TO HELP. I TOLD THE INSTRUCTOR THAT I DID NOT PULL THE GEAR. I DID NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE LEVER WAS TO BE FOUND IN THE PANEL. I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE LET GO OF THE THROTTLE; LOOK FOR THE GEAR LEVER; PULL IT OUT; AND LIFT UP. I WOULD HAVE REMEMBERED THAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.