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Attributes | |
ACN | 675621 |
Time | |
Date | 200510 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : s36.airport |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Cessna 150 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Bonanza 33 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern approach : visual |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 2250 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 675621 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical incursion : runway other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
My student and I were holding short and waiting for takeoff at the airport. I had heard a bonanza in the pattern call downwind and then base. We turned and checked final and didn't see any traffic; so we made our radio call for entering the runway and takeoff. Just after crossing the hold short line; the bonanza came overhead and we promptly stopped. He landed and exited the runway and we continued onto the runway and took off. Upon questioning the bonanza pilot over the radio about the lack of an 'on final' call; he mentioned that it is not required. He also mentioned that there is nothing wrong with flying a 'dogleg base to final approach' as he had done. In all honesty on my part; my student and I were departing on his first dual cross country and we were running a bit late. When checking final; we looked at the straight-in final and upon not seeing any traffic; we decided to launch. If we had done a full 360 degree turn on the ground prior to crossing the hold short line like we normally do; I wouldn't be writing this!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C150 INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT ENTER RWY AT S36 WHILE BE35 IS ON FINAL.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND I WERE HOLDING SHORT AND WAITING FOR TKOF AT THE ARPT. I HAD HEARD A BONANZA IN THE PATTERN CALL DOWNWIND AND THEN BASE. WE TURNED AND CHKED FINAL AND DIDN'T SEE ANY TFC; SO WE MADE OUR RADIO CALL FOR ENTERING THE RWY AND TKOF. JUST AFTER XING THE HOLD SHORT LINE; THE BONANZA CAME OVERHEAD AND WE PROMPTLY STOPPED. HE LANDED AND EXITED THE RWY AND WE CONTINUED ONTO THE RWY AND TOOK OFF. UPON QUESTIONING THE BONANZA PLT OVER THE RADIO ABOUT THE LACK OF AN 'ON FINAL' CALL; HE MENTIONED THAT IT IS NOT REQUIRED. HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH FLYING A 'DOGLEG BASE TO FINAL APCH' AS HE HAD DONE. IN ALL HONESTY ON MY PART; MY STUDENT AND I WERE DEPARTING ON HIS FIRST DUAL XCOUNTRY AND WE WERE RUNNING A BIT LATE. WHEN CHKING FINAL; WE LOOKED AT THE STRAIGHT-IN FINAL AND UPON NOT SEEING ANY TFC; WE DECIDED TO LAUNCH. IF WE HAD DONE A FULL 360 DEG TURN ON THE GND PRIOR TO XING THE HOLD SHORT LINE LIKE WE NORMALLY DO; I WOULDN'T BE WRITING THIS!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.