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Attributes | |
ACN | 678031 |
Time | |
Date | 200511 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : mgw.vortac |
State Reference | WV |
Altitude | msl single value : 26000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation X |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 678031 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 677974 |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Narrative:
Told to hold at mgw. We asked for 20 mi legs and they were approved; no mention of holding turns mentioned. We entered holding with a r-hand turn (standard) and controller said he thought we would turn left. We were using an electronic flight bag and the en route chart had no holding pattern depicted; neither did the arrival we were on. No known conflict; just thought you would like to know. Supplemental information from acn 677974: we were given holding over mgw; start of the jasen 4 arrival into iad; told to hold as published. We didn't show any hold on the STAR (over mgw) so we did a standard turn. He said it should have been a left turn as published on a high chart. Our electronic flight bag has no published hold over mgw. We then were turned and reclred to mgw.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: APCHING IAD; A CE750 CREW ENTERED MGW HOLDING INCORRECTLY. THE HOLDING WAS NOT DEPICTED ON THEIR ELECTRONIC FLT BAG'S ARR OR CHARTS.
Narrative: TOLD TO HOLD AT MGW. WE ASKED FOR 20 MI LEGS AND THEY WERE APPROVED; NO MENTION OF HOLDING TURNS MENTIONED. WE ENTERED HOLDING WITH A R-HAND TURN (STANDARD) AND CTLR SAID HE THOUGHT WE WOULD TURN L. WE WERE USING AN ELECTRONIC FLT BAG AND THE ENRTE CHART HAD NO HOLDING PATTERN DEPICTED; NEITHER DID THE ARR WE WERE ON. NO KNOWN CONFLICT; JUST THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 677974: WE WERE GIVEN HOLDING OVER MGW; START OF THE JASEN 4 ARR INTO IAD; TOLD TO HOLD AS PUBLISHED. WE DIDN'T SHOW ANY HOLD ON THE STAR (OVER MGW) SO WE DID A STANDARD TURN. HE SAID IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A L TURN AS PUBLISHED ON A HIGH CHART. OUR ELECTRONIC FLT BAG HAS NO PUBLISHED HOLD OVER MGW. WE THEN WERE TURNED AND RECLRED TO MGW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.