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Attributes | |
ACN | 686083 |
Time | |
Date | 200601 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw.airport |
State Reference | MI |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d21.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 5700 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 686083 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Aircraft Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Narrative:
We were operating flight from dtw. We were cleared for takeoff on runway 22 and assigned a heading of 215 degrees after takeoff. Once airborne; we started the turn at 400 ft AGL to a heading of 210 degrees and we were flying in the automatic mode which is our normal takeoff procedure in magnetic mode. After stabilized at a heading of 215 degrees; ATC departure control came back and asked what heading we were on. We said 215 degrees. Then he called traffic at 11 O'clock position which we had him in sight. Then he told us to turn to a heading of 240 degrees; which we did. Then he asked if we took off in manual or automatic mode; which we replied automatic; which is our magnetic mode. Then a min later he gave us a phone number to call once we reached our destination. I called the supervisor; once on the ground; and he told me they have had problems with the crj taking off in the manual mode which doesn't put them on the right heading. He also asked for my name and phone number which I gave him. He asked if I had any memos or manual procedures about taking off in manual or automatic. I said we always take off in automatic. As the conversation ended; he said he would contact me if he needed extra information. Normal flight operations were followed. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that the crj automatic heading mode is stabilized heading as opposed to the manual heading which is uncorrected flux valve heading. The automatic heading mode is his air carrier's only departure option. Reporter stated that the real issue at the airport is the magnetic anomalies that occur with aircraft departing runway 22L. There appears to be something in the departure corridor causing the heading error of +/-15 degrees. Reporter stated in the manual heading mode the error would be worse because crews would fly raw heading data that would greatly lag the aircraft's turn.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CRJ PLT DEPARTED DTW WITH THE AUTOMATIC HDG MODE SELECTED. ATC COMMENTED THAT ACFT IN THAT MODE ARE OFF HDG DURING DEP.
Narrative: WE WERE OPERATING FLT FROM DTW. WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF ON RWY 22 AND ASSIGNED A HDG OF 215 DEGS AFTER TKOF. ONCE AIRBORNE; WE STARTED THE TURN AT 400 FT AGL TO A HDG OF 210 DEGS AND WE WERE FLYING IN THE AUTOMATIC MODE WHICH IS OUR NORMAL TKOF PROC IN MAGNETIC MODE. AFTER STABILIZED AT A HDG OF 215 DEGS; ATC DEP CTL CAME BACK AND ASKED WHAT HDG WE WERE ON. WE SAID 215 DEGS. THEN HE CALLED TFC AT 11 O'CLOCK POS WHICH WE HAD HIM IN SIGHT. THEN HE TOLD US TO TURN TO A HDG OF 240 DEGS; WHICH WE DID. THEN HE ASKED IF WE TOOK OFF IN MANUAL OR AUTOMATIC MODE; WHICH WE REPLIED AUTOMATIC; WHICH IS OUR MAGNETIC MODE. THEN A MIN LATER HE GAVE US A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL ONCE WE REACHED OUR DEST. I CALLED THE SUPVR; ONCE ON THE GND; AND HE TOLD ME THEY HAVE HAD PROBS WITH THE CRJ TAKING OFF IN THE MANUAL MODE WHICH DOESN'T PUT THEM ON THE RIGHT HDG. HE ALSO ASKED FOR MY NAME AND PHONE NUMBER WHICH I GAVE HIM. HE ASKED IF I HAD ANY MEMOS OR MANUAL PROCS ABOUT TAKING OFF IN MANUAL OR AUTOMATIC. I SAID WE ALWAYS TAKE OFF IN AUTOMATIC. AS THE CONVERSATION ENDED; HE SAID HE WOULD CONTACT ME IF HE NEEDED EXTRA INFO. NORMAL FLT OPS WERE FOLLOWED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE CRJ AUTOMATIC HDG MODE IS STABILIZED HDG AS OPPOSED TO THE MANUAL HDG WHICH IS UNCORRECTED FLUX VALVE HDG. THE AUTOMATIC HDG MODE IS HIS ACR'S ONLY DEP OPTION. RPTR STATED THAT THE REAL ISSUE AT THE ARPT IS THE MAGNETIC ANOMALIES THAT OCCUR WITH ACFT DEPARTING RWY 22L. THERE APPEARS TO BE SOMETHING IN THE DEP CORRIDOR CAUSING THE HDG ERROR OF +/-15 DEGS. RPTR STATED IN THE MANUAL HDG MODE THE ERROR WOULD BE WORSE BECAUSE CREWS WOULD FLY RAW HDG DATA THAT WOULD GREATLY LAG THE ACFT'S TURN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.