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Attributes | |
ACN | 688925 |
Time | |
Date | 200602 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : ortro |
State Reference | AR |
Altitude | msl single value : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : hobly |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 688925 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 688927 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight departed normally from dfw runway 17R on the nobly 2 departure. Pre-departure checks of the route/legs were normal...we both referenced the departure plate for the points as well as the flight plan and used the plan mode to crosscheck. All points were 'in the box.' we contacted dfw queue with 'runway 17R -- navye' and proceeded to tower. No significant aircraft issues except the right FMS was placarded inoperative. Normal takeoff and initial climb to navye -- then the left turn towards jgirl. Part way through the turn; departure clears us direct to nobly. I select the point from the legs page; verify with the captain who's hand flying; and execute. We are in LNAV/VNAV. We proceed direct to nobly; but evidently the FMS dropped cobug and ortro out of the points list; which we obviously missed. We initiate a normal climb out of 17000 ft; and get handed off to ftw center. Evidently we're proceeding outbnd direct from nobly to lit; the lost points were south of the route. Dfw center asks us about our clearance; at which time we are past cobug but fairly near ortro; we reenter ortro and proceed to it and then on to lit. Dfw gives us a telephone number which the captain uses to contact the shift supervisor. No other points were affected after the initial error. In the future I'll be a lot more wary of departure and arrival changes and reverify that any instances of proceeding direct didn't make a surprise change to the FMS legs and routing. Previous experiences showed me that going direct would eliminate/change any preceding points; while this event affected points after the selected destination.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MD80 FLT DEPARTED DFW'S RWY 17R ON THE NOBLY 2. AFTER NAVYE INTXN; FLT WAS CLRED DIRECT NOBLY INTXN; WHICH CAUSED DOWNSTREAM FMC DEP FIXES TO DROP OUT.
Narrative: FLT DEPARTED NORMALLY FROM DFW RWY 17R ON THE NOBLY 2 DEP. PRE-DEP CHKS OF THE RTE/LEGS WERE NORMAL...WE BOTH REFERENCED THE DEP PLATE FOR THE POINTS AS WELL AS THE FLT PLAN AND USED THE PLAN MODE TO CROSSCHECK. ALL POINTS WERE 'IN THE BOX.' WE CONTACTED DFW QUEUE WITH 'RWY 17R -- NAVYE' AND PROCEEDED TO TWR. NO SIGNIFICANT ACFT ISSUES EXCEPT THE RIGHT FMS WAS PLACARDED INOP. NORMAL TKOF AND INITIAL CLB TO NAVYE -- THEN THE L TURN TOWARDS JGIRL. PART WAY THROUGH THE TURN; DEP CLRS US DIRECT TO NOBLY. I SELECT THE POINT FROM THE LEGS PAGE; VERIFY WITH THE CAPT WHO'S HAND FLYING; AND EXECUTE. WE ARE IN LNAV/VNAV. WE PROCEED DIRECT TO NOBLY; BUT EVIDENTLY THE FMS DROPPED COBUG AND ORTRO OUT OF THE POINTS LIST; WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY MISSED. WE INITIATE A NORMAL CLB OUT OF 17000 FT; AND GET HANDED OFF TO FTW CTR. EVIDENTLY WE'RE PROCEEDING OUTBND DIRECT FROM NOBLY TO LIT; THE LOST POINTS WERE S OF THE RTE. DFW CTR ASKS US ABOUT OUR CLRNC; AT WHICH TIME WE ARE PAST COBUG BUT FAIRLY NEAR ORTRO; WE REENTER ORTRO AND PROCEED TO IT AND THEN ON TO LIT. DFW GIVES US A TELEPHONE NUMBER WHICH THE CAPT USES TO CONTACT THE SHIFT SUPVR. NO OTHER POINTS WERE AFFECTED AFTER THE INITIAL ERROR. IN THE FUTURE I'LL BE A LOT MORE WARY OF DEP AND ARR CHANGES AND REVERIFY THAT ANY INSTANCES OF PROCEEDING DIRECT DIDN'T MAKE A SURPRISE CHANGE TO THE FMS LEGS AND ROUTING. PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES SHOWED ME THAT GOING DIRECT WOULD ELIMINATE/CHANGE ANY PRECEDING POINTS; WHILE THIS EVENT AFFECTED POINTS AFTER THE SELECTED DEST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.