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Attributes | |
ACN | 692144 |
Time | |
Date | 200603 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 692144 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Reference the boeing MD80 aircraft maintenance manual; from which I quote; 'automatic throttle/speed control -- description and operation subchapter. Section 2 K slow-fast display (1) the slow-fast display indicates speed deviation relative to alpha reference speed. Section 3 at/sc functional operation D: computed weight is determined from coefficient of lift; airspeed and wing configuration and is used to establish a minimum safe reference speed. Measured angle-of-attack from the angle-of-attack sensor is used during takeoff and go-around maneuvers in development of flight director pitch command signal to establish the proper pitch attitude to maintain a takeoff or go-around reference speed. H. It (alpha speed) acts as a reference for stall speed and operational modes that the aircraft are in. Note: if alpha speed registers high in stabilized; unaccelerated flight; it is often a valid indication that the aircraft is heavier than computed. Section 4 C speed sel mode (3) with autothrottle engaged in the speed sel mode; if the alpha reference speed is a higher value than the selected speed; alfa speed will be displayed on the ATIS mode annunciator and the speed will be controled to the alpha reference speed.' as we know the MD80 has no pilot input to tell it what it weighs; therefore it computes it and in steady state flight as the note above states. The photos of flts that I have along with other empirical data using performance charts; as well as visual reference to runway length used and the handling characteristics of the airplane all show that the flts were operated exceeding the planned weight of the flight segment and in some cases were above the structural limits; runway limits; and climb limits of the MD80 series aircraft ability to sustain flight on a single engine. The conundrum is how to fix the problem. We know how much an empty plane weighs and the fuel in it. We know the weight of the cargo. We guess at the weight of the passenger and luggage. The 'note' is what ties my whole thesis together.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CAPT PROVIDES DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE THAT THE ALPHA REFERENCE SPD COMPUTED BY THE ACFT OFTEN INDICATES THE ACFT IS SIGNIFICANTLY HEAVIER THAN THE PAPERWORK SHOWS. RPTR FEELS THIS RESULTS IN UNSATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE AND POTENTIAL SAFETY HAZARDS IN PERFORMANCE LIMITED OPERATIONS.
Narrative: REFERENCE THE BOEING MD80 ACFT MAINT MANUAL; FROM WHICH I QUOTE; 'AUTO THROTTLE/SPD CTL -- DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION SUBCHAPTER. SECTION 2 K SLOW-FAST DISPLAY (1) THE SLOW-FAST DISPLAY INDICATES SPD DEV RELATIVE TO ALPHA REFERENCE SPD. SECTION 3 AT/SC FUNCTIONAL OPERATION D: COMPUTED WT IS DETERMINED FROM COEFFICIENT OF LIFT; AIRSPD AND WING CONFIGURATION AND IS USED TO ESTABLISH A MINIMUM SAFE REFERENCE SPD. MEASURED ANGLE-OF-ATTACK FROM THE ANGLE-OF-ATTACK SENSOR IS USED DURING TKOF AND GO-AROUND MANEUVERS IN DEVELOPMENT OF FLT DIRECTOR PITCH COMMAND SIGNAL TO ESTABLISH THE PROPER PITCH ATTITUDE TO MAINTAIN A TKOF OR GO-AROUND REFERENCE SPD. H. IT (ALPHA SPD) ACTS AS A REFERENCE FOR STALL SPD AND OPERATIONAL MODES THAT THE ACFT ARE IN. NOTE: IF ALPHA SPD REGISTERS HIGH IN STABILIZED; UNACCELERATED FLT; IT IS OFTEN A VALID INDICATION THAT THE ACFT IS HEAVIER THAN COMPUTED. SECTION 4 C SPD SEL MODE (3) WITH AUTOTHROTTLE ENGAGED IN THE SPD SEL MODE; IF THE ALPHA REFERENCE SPD IS A HIGHER VALUE THAN THE SELECTED SPD; ALFA SPD WILL BE DISPLAYED ON THE ATIS MODE ANNUNCIATOR AND THE SPD WILL BE CTLED TO THE ALPHA REFERENCE SPD.' AS WE KNOW THE MD80 HAS NO PLT INPUT TO TELL IT WHAT IT WEIGHS; THEREFORE IT COMPUTES IT AND IN STEADY STATE FLT AS THE NOTE ABOVE STATES. THE PHOTOS OF FLTS THAT I HAVE ALONG WITH OTHER EMPIRICAL DATA USING PERFORMANCE CHARTS; AS WELL AS VISUAL REFERENCE TO RWY LENGTH USED AND THE HANDLING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE AIRPLANE ALL SHOW THAT THE FLTS WERE OPERATED EXCEEDING THE PLANNED WT OF THE FLT SEGMENT AND IN SOME CASES WERE ABOVE THE STRUCTURAL LIMITS; RWY LIMITS; AND CLB LIMITS OF THE MD80 SERIES ACFT ABILITY TO SUSTAIN FLT ON A SINGLE ENG. THE CONUNDRUM IS HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM. WE KNOW HOW MUCH AN EMPTY PLANE WEIGHS AND THE FUEL IN IT. WE KNOW THE WT OF THE CARGO. WE GUESS AT THE WT OF THE PAX AND LUGGAGE. THE 'NOTE' IS WHAT TIES MY WHOLE THESIS TOGETHER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.