Narrative:

Instructions to taxi to runway 25L at mke: use taxiway K; then runway 13/31 to hold short of runway 25L on runway 13/31. (We were awaiting a wheels up time to atl. Not long to wait and likely would be next to depart.) discussion between first officer and I ensued as to holding on a runway; ie; we turned on lights and talked about feeling a little uncomfortable holding on a runway. Referencing my 10-9 page; I was looking for a hold short line closer to the runway 13/31 and taxiway north intersection and subsequently overshot the hold short line slightly. In my mind; I don't recall the hold short line as standing out (ie; the line and pavement contrast did not catch my eye). Tower called and said it appears I overshot the line a bit so he told me to go right onto taxiway M; and either take a right onto taxiway 1R/19L then right onto runway 13/31 to end up where I started or I could do a 180 degree turn on a wide portion of taxiway M to hold short of runway 25L on taxiway M. I opted for the latter. Once repositioned; about 3 minutes later; one aircraft landed on runway 25L followed by one departure in front of us (ie at no time were we a conflict to landing aircraft). We then departed without incidence. In retrospect; a runway incursion hs (hot spot) mark on our 10-9 page might have alerted us to use extreme caution or perhaps a 'hold for runway 25L departure' sign (in addition to the paint markings; which again seemed a little faint to me in my recollection) could be helpful.supplemental information from acn 696338: contributing factors: our current 10-9 page does not clearly show a runway 25L hold short line on runway 13/31 and we would not normally expect to see it on a runway. In general; we are reluctant to use a runway as a taxiway let alone a hold short area and; therefore; felt more comfortable on taxiway M. The 10-9 page also doesn't show this as a 'hot spot;' but as an inset expanded area and; therefore; does not amplify the possibility of an incursion.callback conversation with reporter acn 696352 revealed the following information: reporter stated that the flight crew (himself and the first officer) were not familiar with operations at mke and that they were a little nervous holding short on a runway. He is reviewing the 10-9 chart for the 'hold short' line on runway 13/31 and was 'heads down' when the aircraft passed over the hold line. He feels that the chart should depict a 'hot spot' in that area to alert the crews to the potential of a runway incursion in that area.

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Title: MD88 FLT CREW HAS RWY INCURSION AT MKE.

Narrative: INSTRUCTIONS TO TAXI TO RWY 25L AT MKE: USE TXWY K; THEN RWY 13/31 TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25L ON RWY 13/31. (WE WERE AWAITING A WHEELS UP TIME TO ATL. NOT LONG TO WAIT AND LIKELY WOULD BE NEXT TO DEPART.) DISCUSSION BETWEEN FO AND I ENSUED AS TO HOLDING ON A RWY; IE; WE TURNED ON LIGHTS AND TALKED ABOUT FEELING A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE HOLDING ON A RWY. REFERENCING MY 10-9 PAGE; I WAS LOOKING FOR A HOLD SHORT LINE CLOSER TO THE RWY 13/31 AND TXWY N INTXN AND SUBSEQUENTLY OVERSHOT THE HOLD SHORT LINE SLIGHTLY. IN MY MIND; I DON'T RECALL THE HOLD SHORT LINE AS STANDING OUT (IE; THE LINE AND PAVEMENT CONTRAST DID NOT CATCH MY EYE). TWR CALLED AND SAID IT APPEARS I OVERSHOT THE LINE A BIT SO HE TOLD ME TO GO RIGHT ONTO TXWY M; AND EITHER TAKE A RIGHT ONTO TXWY 1R/19L THEN RIGHT ONTO RWY 13/31 TO END UP WHERE I STARTED OR I COULD DO A 180 DEG TURN ON A WIDE PORTION OF TXWY M TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25L ON TXWY M. I OPTED FOR THE LATTER. ONCE REPOSITIONED; ABOUT 3 MINUTES LATER; ONE ACFT LANDED ON RWY 25L FOLLOWED BY ONE DEPARTURE IN FRONT OF US (IE AT NO TIME WERE WE A CONFLICT TO LNDG ACFT). WE THEN DEPARTED WITHOUT INCIDENCE. IN RETROSPECT; A RWY INCURSION HS (HOT SPOT) MARK ON OUR 10-9 PAGE MIGHT HAVE ALERTED US TO USE EXTREME CAUTION OR PERHAPS A 'HOLD FOR RWY 25L DEPARTURE' SIGN (IN ADDITION TO THE PAINT MARKINGS; WHICH AGAIN SEEMED A LITTLE FAINT TO ME IN MY RECOLLECTION) COULD BE HELPFUL.SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 696338: CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: OUR CURRENT 10-9 PAGE DOES NOT CLEARLY SHOW A RWY 25L HOLD SHORT LINE ON RWY 13/31 AND WE WOULD NOT NORMALLY EXPECT TO SEE IT ON A RWY. IN GENERAL; WE ARE RELUCTANT TO USE A RWY AS A TXWY LET ALONE A HOLD SHORT AREA AND; THEREFORE; FELT MORE COMFORTABLE ON TXWY M. THE 10-9 PAGE ALSO DOESN'T SHOW THIS AS A 'HOT SPOT;' BUT AS AN INSET EXPANDED AREA AND; THEREFORE; DOES NOT AMPLIFY THE POSSIBILITY OF AN INCURSION.CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR ACN 696352 REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE FLT CREW (HIMSELF AND THE FO) WERE NOT FAMILIAR WITH OPERATIONS AT MKE AND THAT THEY WERE A LITTLE NERVOUS HOLDING SHORT ON A RWY. HE IS REVIEWING THE 10-9 CHART FOR THE 'HOLD SHORT' LINE ON RWY 13/31 AND WAS 'HEADS DOWN' WHEN THE ACFT PASSED OVER THE HOLD LINE. HE FEELS THAT THE CHART SHOULD DEPICT A 'HOT SPOT' IN THAT AREA TO ALERT THE CREWS TO THE POTENTIAL OF A RWY INCURSION IN THAT AREA.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.