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Attributes | |
ACN | 699959 |
Time | |
Date | 200606 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : mosey 5 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7433 flight time type : 5054 |
ASRS Report | 699959 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Arriving cvg via the mosey 5 arrival; approach began to issue vectors for the ILS runway 36L. While level at 5000 ft and 250 KTS; ATC cleared us to descend to 3000 ft. I suspected that the class B floor in our area was 5000 ft so I asked ATC what the class B floor in our area was. ATC told me to stand by and then said the floor was 5000 ft. I asked ATC if they wanted us to slow to 200 KTS and then descend to 3000 ft. ATC approved. This situation has occurred before. My question is; how much responsibility does the PIC assume concerning the determination of the aircraft's position in relation to the various class B floors/boundaries when operating on an IFR flight plan and complying with radar vectors?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CRJ-200 PLT ON THE MOSEY 5 ARR TO CVG WAS ASSIGNED AN ALT BELOW THE FLOOR OF CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT A PROPER SPD ASSIGNMENT.
Narrative: ARRIVING CVG VIA THE MOSEY 5 ARR; APCH BEGAN TO ISSUE VECTORS FOR THE ILS RWY 36L. WHILE LEVEL AT 5000 FT AND 250 KTS; ATC CLRED US TO DSND TO 3000 FT. I SUSPECTED THAT THE CLASS B FLOOR IN OUR AREA WAS 5000 FT SO I ASKED ATC WHAT THE CLASS B FLOOR IN OUR AREA WAS. ATC TOLD ME TO STAND BY AND THEN SAID THE FLOOR WAS 5000 FT. I ASKED ATC IF THEY WANTED US TO SLOW TO 200 KTS AND THEN DSND TO 3000 FT. ATC APPROVED. THIS SITUATION HAS OCCURRED BEFORE. MY QUESTION IS; HOW MUCH RESPONSIBILITY DOES THE PIC ASSUME CONCERNING THE DETERMINATION OF THE ACFT'S POS IN RELATION TO THE VARIOUS CLASS B FLOORS/BOUNDARIES WHEN OPERATING ON AN IFR FLT PLAN AND COMPLYING WITH RADAR VECTORS?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.