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Attributes | |
ACN | 702070 |
Time | |
Date | 200608 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : atl.vortac |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2900 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | other |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Amateur (Home) Built |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 90 |
ASRS Report | 702070 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry conflict : airborne critical non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Departed brookbridge airport as a flight of 2 (RV4; RV8). Both aircraft altimeters set prior to departure. Continued en route to fulton county airport (fty) beneath 3500 ft floor of atl class B airspace. At approximately the atl 265 degree radial; 17 NM; a crj-200 passed over us on his downwind and then turned base and final while still in sight. WX conditions were mostly clear; 8-10 mi in haze. At this time both aircraft indicated 2900-3000 ft on the altimeters with the lead aircraft transponder on 1200. Altitudes while under the class B varied from 2700 ft to 3100 ft MSL -- with the floor at 3500 ft. After landing at fty; TRACON asked for a call and told us that the crj had a TCAS RA and climbed to 5000 ft even though they had us in sight. Transponder returns showed a possible return of 3700 ft at a time both altimeters (only 10 mins after being set on ground) showed approximately 3000 ft. 1) due to good visibilities at no time did we feel safety was compromised. 2) encoder in lead aircraft may have malfunctioned (although 700 ft steady readout is unlikely) and encoder will be checked prior to being used again. 3) suspect high descent rate during approach (not unusual in atlanta) by crj created a close rate that triggered TCAS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FLT OF 2 HOMEBUILTS FLYING JUST UNDER ATL CLASS B AIRSPACE TRIGGERED AN RA ON AN INBOUND CRJ-200.
Narrative: DEPARTED BROOKBRIDGE ARPT AS A FLT OF 2 (RV4; RV8). BOTH ACFT ALTIMETERS SET PRIOR TO DEP. CONTINUED ENRTE TO FULTON COUNTY ARPT (FTY) BENEATH 3500 FT FLOOR OF ATL CLASS B AIRSPACE. AT APPROX THE ATL 265 DEG RADIAL; 17 NM; A CRJ-200 PASSED OVER US ON HIS DOWNWIND AND THEN TURNED BASE AND FINAL WHILE STILL IN SIGHT. WX CONDITIONS WERE MOSTLY CLR; 8-10 MI IN HAZE. AT THIS TIME BOTH ACFT INDICATED 2900-3000 FT ON THE ALTIMETERS WITH THE LEAD ACFT XPONDER ON 1200. ALTS WHILE UNDER THE CLASS B VARIED FROM 2700 FT TO 3100 FT MSL -- WITH THE FLOOR AT 3500 FT. AFTER LNDG AT FTY; TRACON ASKED FOR A CALL AND TOLD US THAT THE CRJ HAD A TCAS RA AND CLBED TO 5000 FT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD US IN SIGHT. XPONDER RETURNS SHOWED A POSSIBLE RETURN OF 3700 FT AT A TIME BOTH ALTIMETERS (ONLY 10 MINS AFTER BEING SET ON GND) SHOWED APPROX 3000 FT. 1) DUE TO GOOD VISIBILITIES AT NO TIME DID WE FEEL SAFETY WAS COMPROMISED. 2) ENCODER IN LEAD ACFT MAY HAVE MALFUNCTIONED (ALTHOUGH 700 FT STEADY READOUT IS UNLIKELY) AND ENCODER WILL BE CHKED PRIOR TO BEING USED AGAIN. 3) SUSPECT HIGH DSCNT RATE DURING APCH (NOT UNUSUAL IN ATLANTA) BY CRJ CREATED A CLOSE RATE THAT TRIGGERED TCAS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.