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Attributes | |
ACN | 703209 |
Time | |
Date | 200607 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cle.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cle.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 244 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 703209 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Chart | airport : cle.airport |
Narrative:
We cleared the gate at cle to taxi out to runway 24R for takeoff. There was a line of aircraft taking off on runway 24R; waiting on taxiway south. Our clearance was taxi to runway 24R; hold short of runway 24L; which we did. Next clearance was cross runway 24L; change to (new tower frequency). We crossed runway 24L; and I positioned the aircraft at a slight slant from perpendicular to the runways so I could look over my left shoulder to verify our tail was beyond the first line; what I thought was the hold short line for runway 24L behind us. After we changed tower frequencys; I saw another air carrier go around behind us on runway 24L. Tower told us T move forward as we were blocking runway 24L. There was an aircraft in front of us holding for runway 24R. There was room and we moved forward across runway 24C behind him to clear our tail from both hold short lines between runway 24L and runway 24C. Our tail had been clear of the first hold line (hold short line for runway 24C); but not the second line (hold short line for runway 24L going in the opposite direction). I was aware of and had reviewed the cle safety alert on this subject before landing at cle the previous evening and before push at cle that day. The safety alert depicts and discusses nose position for holding short of a runway in front of you; not tail position going the other way. My thinking on this unique arrangement was geared to nose; not tail position. Adding a depiction and/or discussion of tail position scenarios might be helpful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-300 PLT COMMENTS ABOUT THE CLE RWY 6R/24L AND RWY 6C/24C HOLD SHORT LINES AND HIS UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE ACFT TAIL POSITION NECESSARY IN ORDER TO COMPLY.
Narrative: WE CLRED THE GATE AT CLE TO TAXI OUT TO RWY 24R FOR TKOF. THERE WAS A LINE OF ACFT TAKING OFF ON RWY 24R; WAITING ON TXWY S. OUR CLRNC WAS TAXI TO RWY 24R; HOLD SHORT OF RWY 24L; WHICH WE DID. NEXT CLRNC WAS CROSS RWY 24L; CHANGE TO (NEW TWR FREQ). WE CROSSED RWY 24L; AND I POSITIONED THE ACFT AT A SLIGHT SLANT FROM PERPENDICULAR TO THE RWYS SO I COULD LOOK OVER MY L SHOULDER TO VERIFY OUR TAIL WAS BEYOND THE FIRST LINE; WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 24L BEHIND US. AFTER WE CHANGED TWR FREQS; I SAW ANOTHER ACR GO AROUND BEHIND US ON RWY 24L. TWR TOLD US T MOVE FORWARD AS WE WERE BLOCKING RWY 24L. THERE WAS AN ACFT IN FRONT OF US HOLDING FOR RWY 24R. THERE WAS ROOM AND WE MOVED FORWARD ACROSS RWY 24C BEHIND HIM TO CLEAR OUR TAIL FROM BOTH HOLD SHORT LINES BETWEEN RWY 24L AND RWY 24C. OUR TAIL HAD BEEN CLR OF THE FIRST HOLD LINE (HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 24C); BUT NOT THE SECOND LINE (HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 24L GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION). I WAS AWARE OF AND HAD REVIEWED THE CLE SAFETY ALERT ON THIS SUBJECT BEFORE LNDG AT CLE THE PREVIOUS EVENING AND BEFORE PUSH AT CLE THAT DAY. THE SAFETY ALERT DEPICTS AND DISCUSSES NOSE POSITION FOR HOLDING SHORT OF A RWY IN FRONT OF YOU; NOT TAIL POSITION GOING THE OTHER WAY. MY THINKING ON THIS UNIQUE ARRANGEMENT WAS GEARED TO NOSE; NOT TAIL POSITION. ADDING A DEPICTION AND/OR DISCUSSION OF TAIL POSITION SCENARIOS MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.