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Attributes | |
ACN | 703815 |
Time | |
Date | 200607 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : iad.airport |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1650 |
ASRS Report | 703815 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : company policies non adherence : far other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Captain indicated that he is intent on saving gas. At 4000 ft on approach; 12 mi from the runway; I slowed from 250 KTS to 210 KTS and asked for flaps 1 degree. The captain informed me that it would be more efficient to not configure till later due to fuel savings. This late slowing and confign led to an unstabilized approach. I; the first officer flying; stated that I was going to execute a go around due the unstabilized condition. The captain said 'no; you can make it.' then told me just to make sure I spool the motors up prior to landing. Knowing this is not a good time to start an argument; and having been an instructor in the F16 and practiced many engine out lndgs; I knew we had the energy to make it and the ability to bleed the excess energy in the allotted runway available without compromising safety. I continued the landing per the captain's orders. The throttle was in idle from outside the marker. The landing concerns me less than the captain's understanding and application of the SOP's and his willingness to subvert procedure to save the company a few dollars in fuel.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 FO RPTS UNSTABILIZED APCH AFTER CAPT REQUESTS DELAY IN CONFIGURING.
Narrative: CAPT INDICATED THAT HE IS INTENT ON SAVING GAS. AT 4000 FT ON APCH; 12 MI FROM THE RWY; I SLOWED FROM 250 KTS TO 210 KTS AND ASKED FOR FLAPS 1 DEG. THE CAPT INFORMED ME THAT IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT TO NOT CONFIGURE TILL LATER DUE TO FUEL SAVINGS. THIS LATE SLOWING AND CONFIGN LED TO AN UNSTABILIZED APCH. I; THE FO FLYING; STATED THAT I WAS GOING TO EXECUTE A GAR DUE THE UNSTABILIZED CONDITION. THE CAPT SAID 'NO; YOU CAN MAKE IT.' THEN TOLD ME JUST TO MAKE SURE I SPOOL THE MOTORS UP PRIOR TO LNDG. KNOWING THIS IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO START AN ARGUMENT; AND HAVING BEEN AN INSTRUCTOR IN THE F16 AND PRACTICED MANY ENG OUT LNDGS; I KNEW WE HAD THE ENERGY TO MAKE IT AND THE ABILITY TO BLEED THE EXCESS ENERGY IN THE ALLOTTED RWY AVAILABLE WITHOUT COMPROMISING SAFETY. I CONTINUED THE LNDG PER THE CAPT'S ORDERS. THE THROTTLE WAS IN IDLE FROM OUTSIDE THE MARKER. THE LNDG CONCERNS ME LESS THAN THE CAPT'S UNDERSTANDING AND APPLICATION OF THE SOP'S AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO SUBVERT PROC TO SAVE THE COMPANY A FEW DOLLARS IN FUEL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.