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Attributes | |
ACN | 704948 |
Time | |
Date | 200607 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : okc.airport |
State Reference | OK |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : okc.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : vfr |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 704948 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : exited adverse environment |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Approach had done a good job of separating us from traffic moving from north to south by keeping us at 4000 ft while on a left downwind for runway 17L. After the traffic passed; he cleared us for the visual approach. Since we had been held up for the traffic; we were set up for a very deep base (north of downtown). He called out traffic to the west which was moving from west to east; but it at least 10 mi away and we could not see it visually or on TCAS. We turned base and began a descent out of 4000 ft. This put us head-to-head with the approaching traffic. As we reached 3000 ft in the descent it became apparent that there would be a conflict. The first officer saw the aircraft visually. I could only see the TCAS target. I began a climb because the TCAS presentation indicated that our tracks and altitudes were converging. Shortly after I began the climb; the TCAS issued a climb RA. The first officer reported that the aircraft passed under the nose and he estimated 500 ft of vertical separation. The event occurred for 2 reasons: 1) we were issued clearance for the visual approach in a situation where executing the approach would create a converging geometry with traffic that we could not see. 2) the controller did not continue to give us TA's to help us find the traffic or to issue instructions which would de-conflict the situation. Evasive action initiated. Approach was continued when clear of conflict. Suggestions: ATC could have continued to control us rather that turn us loose on a visual when he was aware of a target track that would enter our approach pattern. Having cleared us for the approach; he could have continued to issue TA's to help us acquire the traffic. He could also have increased our situational awareness with more information (such as whether he was in communication with the other aircraft or what its control status was).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN EMB145 APCHING OKC RWY 17L ON A VISUAL APCH RESPONDED TO A TCAS RA WITH TFC KNOWN TO ATC.
Narrative: APCH HAD DONE A GOOD JOB OF SEPARATING US FROM TFC MOVING FROM N TO S BY KEEPING US AT 4000 FT WHILE ON A L DOWNWIND FOR RWY 17L. AFTER THE TFC PASSED; HE CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL APCH. SINCE WE HAD BEEN HELD UP FOR THE TFC; WE WERE SET UP FOR A VERY DEEP BASE (N OF DOWNTOWN). HE CALLED OUT TFC TO THE W WHICH WAS MOVING FROM W TO E; BUT IT AT LEAST 10 MI AWAY AND WE COULD NOT SEE IT VISUALLY OR ON TCAS. WE TURNED BASE AND BEGAN A DSCNT OUT OF 4000 FT. THIS PUT US HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE APCHING TFC. AS WE REACHED 3000 FT IN THE DSCNT IT BECAME APPARENT THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONFLICT. THE FO SAW THE ACFT VISUALLY. I COULD ONLY SEE THE TCAS TARGET. I BEGAN A CLB BECAUSE THE TCAS PRESENTATION INDICATED THAT OUR TRACKS AND ALTS WERE CONVERGING. SHORTLY AFTER I BEGAN THE CLB; THE TCAS ISSUED A CLB RA. THE FO RPTED THAT THE ACFT PASSED UNDER THE NOSE AND HE ESTIMATED 500 FT OF VERT SEPARATION. THE EVENT OCCURRED FOR 2 REASONS: 1) WE WERE ISSUED CLRNC FOR THE VISUAL APCH IN A SITUATION WHERE EXECUTING THE APCH WOULD CREATE A CONVERGING GEOMETRY WITH TFC THAT WE COULD NOT SEE. 2) THE CTLR DID NOT CONTINUE TO GIVE US TA'S TO HELP US FIND THE TFC OR TO ISSUE INSTRUCTIONS WHICH WOULD DE-CONFLICT THE SITUATION. EVASIVE ACTION INITIATED. APCH WAS CONTINUED WHEN CLR OF CONFLICT. SUGGESTIONS: ATC COULD HAVE CONTINUED TO CTL US RATHER THAT TURN US LOOSE ON A VISUAL WHEN HE WAS AWARE OF A TARGET TRACK THAT WOULD ENTER OUR APCH PATTERN. HAVING CLRED US FOR THE APCH; HE COULD HAVE CONTINUED TO ISSUE TA'S TO HELP US ACQUIRE THE TFC. HE COULD ALSO HAVE INCREASED OUR SITUATIONAL AWARENESS WITH MORE INFO (SUCH AS WHETHER HE WAS IN COM WITH THE OTHER ACFT OR WHAT ITS CTL STATUS WAS).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.