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Attributes | |
ACN | 707838 |
Time | |
Date | 200608 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lgb.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 50 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lgb.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lgb.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : go around |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 1800 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 707838 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : cas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Was cleared onto lgb runway 30 'position and hold; be ready for an immediate; traffic on 1 mi final.' earlier we'd refused an intersection departure wanting to use the full length of the runway and avoid anyone plowing into us from behind. The student taxied into position. We watched one aircraft land. We were then cleared for immediate takeoff. The student applied power immediately. I checked both ends of the crossing runways and saw no traffic. After rotation; about 25 ft AGL; climbing at 1000 FPM; right before the intersection; I noticed a C172 slightly above us and to the right on final for runway 25L. We had nowhere to go; except hope the other aircraft was going around and splitting the difference between the ground and the other plane. I quickly lost sight of the other aircraft as I had to force my student to descend and stay low until after we cleared the intersection. Both our traffic and taws devices activated; drowning out any possible ATC communications. After we were well clear of the traffic; I allowed the student to continue his climb. As we turned on crosswind; tower mentioned that the other aircraft had gone around; the spacing was too close to the aircraft in front. What about too close to us? I try not to hold grudges; but this is the third time this same controller has tried something similar on me; twice with the same student. This controller is also the one that has chewed us out for asking for progressive taxi instructions when we were completely confused on our position despite having both a moving map taxi diagram on our mfd and the taxiway chart in our hands. I've reviewed this occurrence multiple times and still have not figured out how to prevent a recurrence. I ended up filing an near midair collision report on conversation with a tower supervisor today as regrettably it seems like the only way to get any attention or feedback on the problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT AND STUDENT OF SMA ON INITIAL CLB FROM RWY 30 AT LGB HAVE NMAC WITH ACFT GOING AROUND FROM APCH TO RWY 25.
Narrative: WAS CLRED ONTO LGB RWY 30 'POS AND HOLD; BE READY FOR AN IMMEDIATE; TFC ON 1 MI FINAL.' EARLIER WE'D REFUSED AN INTXN DEP WANTING TO USE THE FULL LENGTH OF THE RWY AND AVOID ANYONE PLOWING INTO US FROM BEHIND. THE STUDENT TAXIED INTO POS. WE WATCHED ONE ACFT LAND. WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR IMMEDIATE TKOF. THE STUDENT APPLIED PWR IMMEDIATELY. I CHKED BOTH ENDS OF THE XING RWYS AND SAW NO TFC. AFTER ROTATION; ABOUT 25 FT AGL; CLBING AT 1000 FPM; RIGHT BEFORE THE INTXN; I NOTICED A C172 SLIGHTLY ABOVE US AND TO THE R ON FINAL FOR RWY 25L. WE HAD NOWHERE TO GO; EXCEPT HOPE THE OTHER ACFT WAS GOING AROUND AND SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE BTWN THE GND AND THE OTHER PLANE. I QUICKLY LOST SIGHT OF THE OTHER ACFT AS I HAD TO FORCE MY STUDENT TO DSND AND STAY LOW UNTIL AFTER WE CLRED THE INTXN. BOTH OUR TFC AND TAWS DEVICES ACTIVATED; DROWNING OUT ANY POSSIBLE ATC COMS. AFTER WE WERE WELL CLR OF THE TFC; I ALLOWED THE STUDENT TO CONTINUE HIS CLB. AS WE TURNED ON XWIND; TWR MENTIONED THAT THE OTHER ACFT HAD GONE AROUND; THE SPACING WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE ACFT IN FRONT. WHAT ABOUT TOO CLOSE TO US? I TRY NOT TO HOLD GRUDGES; BUT THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THIS SAME CTLR HAS TRIED SOMETHING SIMILAR ON ME; TWICE WITH THE SAME STUDENT. THIS CTLR IS ALSO THE ONE THAT HAS CHEWED US OUT FOR ASKING FOR PROGRESSIVE TAXI INSTRUCTIONS WHEN WE WERE COMPLETELY CONFUSED ON OUR POS DESPITE HAVING BOTH A MOVING MAP TAXI DIAGRAM ON OUR MFD AND THE TXWY CHART IN OUR HANDS. I'VE REVIEWED THIS OCCURRENCE MULTIPLE TIMES AND STILL HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT HOW TO PREVENT A RECURRENCE. I ENDED UP FILING AN NMAC RPT ON CONVERSATION WITH A TWR SUPVR TODAY AS REGRETTABLY IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY WAY TO GET ANY ATTN OR FEEDBACK ON THE PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.