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Controller instructs flight crew to hold at the mazie intersection as published. Pilot holds as published on low altitude chart. Controller intended as published on the jaike STAR. The two published holding patterns are different.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 708086 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200608 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : mazie |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : phl.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport Low Wing 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : holding |
| Route In Use | arrival : holding pattern |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 5600 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 708086 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Situations | |
| Chart | star : jaike |
Narrative:
En route to cdw; phl approach controller instructed us to 'hold at the mazie intersection as published.' after commencement of hold approach; controller asked why we were making right turns and on the wrong radial. Rechking our low altitude en route chart we related to the approach controller that our chart depicted the published hold at the mazie intersection as right turns and on the 304 degree radial of the yardley (ard) VOR. The controller queried another aircraft who read back the published hold as 'left turns and 239 degrees.' an air carrier crew offered that their charts agreed with us. Shortly we were cleared to exit the hold and continue en route. Needless to say we were confused and upon further discussion figured out that most of the traffic along that route were bound for teb. We speculate that the approach controller assumed that we were cleared for the 'jaike one RNAV arrival' where I later noted the published hold different from the 'low altitude en route chart.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CTLR INSTRUCTS FLT CREW TO HOLD AT THE MAZIE INTXN AS PUBLISHED. PLT HOLDS AS PUBLISHED ON LOW ALT CHART. CTLR INTENDED AS PUBLISHED ON THE JAIKE STAR. THE TWO PUBLISHED HOLDING PATTERNS ARE DIFFERENT.
Narrative: ENRTE TO CDW; PHL APCH CTLR INSTRUCTED US TO 'HOLD AT THE MAZIE INTXN AS PUBLISHED.' AFTER COMMENCEMENT OF HOLD APCH; CTLR ASKED WHY WE WERE MAKING RIGHT TURNS AND ON THE WRONG RADIAL. RECHKING OUR LOW ALT ENRTE CHART WE RELATED TO THE APCH CTLR THAT OUR CHART DEPICTED THE PUBLISHED HOLD AT THE MAZIE INTXN AS RIGHT TURNS AND ON THE 304 DEG RADIAL OF THE YARDLEY (ARD) VOR. THE CTLR QUERIED ANOTHER ACFT WHO READ BACK THE PUBLISHED HOLD AS 'LEFT TURNS AND 239 DEGS.' AN ACR CREW OFFERED THAT THEIR CHARTS AGREED WITH US. SHORTLY WE WERE CLRED TO EXIT THE HOLD AND CONTINUE ENRTE. NEEDLESS TO SAY WE WERE CONFUSED AND UPON FURTHER DISCUSSION FIGURED OUT THAT MOST OF THE TFC ALONG THAT RTE WERE BOUND FOR TEB. WE SPECULATE THAT THE APCH CTLR ASSUMED THAT WE WERE CLRED FOR THE 'JAIKE ONE RNAV ARR' WHERE I LATER NOTED THE PUBLISHED HOLD DIFFERENT FROM THE 'LOW ALT ENRTE CHART.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.