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Flight crew of E145 receive clearance to hold at jumbo after passing it on the glen rose SID to dfw. Cockpit confusion and track deviation ensue.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 710566 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200609 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : jumbo |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl single value : 24000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc tower : dca.tower |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : glen rose |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| ASRS Report | 710566 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 710565 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Aircraft |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On STAR glen rose 8 arrival we passed jumbo intersection and ATC said hold at jumbo as published. ATC then changed the holding fix and said hold at runney as published. Captain questioned it because it was not on the STAR. ATC corrected itself and back to jumbo hold. I ask the captain if he wanted me to set him up for the hold and he said he would do it himself. He armed the hold but I'm not sure if he 'dto' hold in the FMS for the last step; at the time I started to do a fuel calculation. This could have caused an incorrect entry. We were at the fix only for a few mins. ATC didn't give us much time. Supplemental information from acn 710565: apparently; the only method acceptable to enter holding is to proceed direct using the direct command from the holding page and not the normal 'direct to' procedure if the fix has been passed. Suggestions: have flight proceed along route to next holding fix. This would give crew time to set up holding.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF E145 RECEIVE CLRNC TO HOLD AT JUMBO AFTER PASSING IT ON THE GLEN ROSE SID TO DFW. COCKPIT CONFUSION AND TRACK DEV ENSUE.
Narrative: ON STAR GLEN ROSE 8 ARR WE PASSED JUMBO INTXN AND ATC SAID HOLD AT JUMBO AS PUBLISHED. ATC THEN CHANGED THE HOLDING FIX AND SAID HOLD AT RUNNEY AS PUBLISHED. CAPT QUESTIONED IT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ON THE STAR. ATC CORRECTED ITSELF AND BACK TO JUMBO HOLD. I ASK THE CAPT IF HE WANTED ME TO SET HIM UP FOR THE HOLD AND HE SAID HE WOULD DO IT HIMSELF. HE ARMED THE HOLD BUT I'M NOT SURE IF HE 'DTO' HOLD IN THE FMS FOR THE LAST STEP; AT THE TIME I STARTED TO DO A FUEL CALCULATION. THIS COULD HAVE CAUSED AN INCORRECT ENTRY. WE WERE AT THE FIX ONLY FOR A FEW MINS. ATC DIDN'T GIVE US MUCH TIME. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 710565: APPARENTLY; THE ONLY METHOD ACCEPTABLE TO ENTER HOLDING IS TO PROCEED DIRECT USING THE DIRECT COMMAND FROM THE HOLDING PAGE AND NOT THE NORMAL 'DIRECT TO' PROC IF THE FIX HAS BEEN PASSED. SUGGESTIONS: HAVE FLT PROCEED ALONG RTE TO NEXT HOLDING FIX. THIS WOULD GIVE CREW TIME TO SET UP HOLDING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.