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Attributes | |
ACN | 714176 |
Time | |
Date | 200610 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : karla |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 170/175 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : byp.byp5 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 7260 flight time type : 680 |
ASRS Report | 714176 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 121 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 714798 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were on the bonham five arrival into dfw. ATC issued us instructions to cross karla intersection at 11000 ft and to maintain 300 KTS until further advised. We entered and confirmed the crossing restr into the FMS and altitude selector and began our descent. During the descent; ATC advised us which runway to expect. I entered the new runway into the FMS; which involves reentering the arrival procedure. This also resets the crossing restr altitude entered earlier and enters a default altitude; which in this case was higher. I was unaware of this and therefore did not rechk the manual VNAV altitude. This resulted in an incorrect artificial glidepath indication; which we followed. We realized our mistake 10 mi from karla intersection; still 6000 ft high. ATC queried us if we would make the crossing restr and we informed them that it would be close. ATC then slowed us from 300 KTS to 250 KTS which further reduced our descent rate. We crossed karla 1000 ft above our crossing restr. Being aware of the FMS condition; which resets VNAV altitudes when choosing a new runway on the same approach; I will rechk altitudes entered manually. Also; being more situationally aware; by calculating our descent rate mentally as a back-up to the automation; should reduce the possibility of this situation reoccurring.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMB170 FLT CREW DOES NOT MEET XING RESTR DURING ARR TO DFW.
Narrative: WE WERE ON THE BONHAM FIVE ARR INTO DFW. ATC ISSUED US INSTRUCTIONS TO CROSS KARLA INTXN AT 11000 FT AND TO MAINTAIN 300 KTS UNTIL FURTHER ADVISED. WE ENTERED AND CONFIRMED THE XING RESTR INTO THE FMS AND ALT SELECTOR AND BEGAN OUR DSCNT. DURING THE DSCNT; ATC ADVISED US WHICH RWY TO EXPECT. I ENTERED THE NEW RWY INTO THE FMS; WHICH INVOLVES REENTERING THE ARR PROC. THIS ALSO RESETS THE XING RESTR ALT ENTERED EARLIER AND ENTERS A DEFAULT ALT; WHICH IN THIS CASE WAS HIGHER. I WAS UNAWARE OF THIS AND THEREFORE DID NOT RECHK THE MANUAL VNAV ALT. THIS RESULTED IN AN INCORRECT ARTIFICIAL GLIDEPATH INDICATION; WHICH WE FOLLOWED. WE REALIZED OUR MISTAKE 10 MI FROM KARLA INTXN; STILL 6000 FT HIGH. ATC QUERIED US IF WE WOULD MAKE THE XING RESTR AND WE INFORMED THEM THAT IT WOULD BE CLOSE. ATC THEN SLOWED US FROM 300 KTS TO 250 KTS WHICH FURTHER REDUCED OUR DSCNT RATE. WE CROSSED KARLA 1000 FT ABOVE OUR XING RESTR. BEING AWARE OF THE FMS CONDITION; WHICH RESETS VNAV ALTS WHEN CHOOSING A NEW RWY ON THE SAME APCH; I WILL RECHK ALTS ENTERED MANUALLY. ALSO; BEING MORE SITUATIONALLY AWARE; BY CALCULATING OUR DSCNT RATE MENTALLY AS A BACK-UP TO THE AUTOMATION; SHOULD REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS SITUATION REOCCURRING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.