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Attributes | |
ACN | 719475 |
Time | |
Date | 200612 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zmp.artcc |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl single value : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 138 flight time total : 11251 flight time type : 438 |
ASRS Report | 719475 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 719471 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to assigned airspace |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Enroute from las. Our aircraft had the TCAS deferred before we left. On our flight release; it showed up operating at FL330 for the domestic portion of the flight; then descending to FL270 prior to entering canadian airspace and for the oceanic crossing. We as a crew were curious about operating in the higher stratum with a deferred TCAS. During our final briefing with dispatch prior to departure; our captain made a pointed inquiry with the dispatcher about the situation. The dispatcher was quite emphatic about saying we had a wavier to operate the domestic portion of the flight at the higher altitude. Again the captain made a pointed inquiry about the situation; and once again we were told that it was not an issue. While in our final sector of us airspace; the controller asked us about our status concerning the TCAS. He told us that the canadians wanted confirmation of our TCAS status in relation to our altitude. When we confirmed that our TCAS was indeed inoperable; he asked us why we were at the higher altitude. We then relayed to him the information given to us on the wavier situation. He told us he was not aware of such a thing and descended us to FL270. Upon arrival; our captain spoke with our chief dispatcher; who told him that there is indeed such a wavier; however; the dispatcher for our flight did not follow proper procedure which in turn created confusion with the msp center controller.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767 CREW IS DISPATCHED INTO RVSM AIRSPACE WITH TCAS INOPERATIVE.
Narrative: ENROUTE FROM LAS. OUR AIRCRAFT HAD THE TCAS DEFERRED BEFORE WE LEFT. ON OUR FLIGHT RELEASE; IT SHOWED UP OPERATING AT FL330 FOR THE DOMESTIC PORTION OF THE FLIGHT; THEN DESCENDING TO FL270 PRIOR TO ENTERING CANADIAN AIRSPACE AND FOR THE OCEANIC CROSSING. WE AS A CREW WERE CURIOUS ABOUT OPERATING IN THE HIGHER STRATUM WITH A DEFERRED TCAS. DURING OUR FINAL BRIEFING WITH DISPATCH PRIOR TO DEPARTURE; OUR CAPT MADE A POINTED INQUIRY WITH THE DISPATCHER ABOUT THE SITUATION. THE DISPATCHER WAS QUITE EMPHATIC ABOUT SAYING WE HAD A WAVIER TO OPERATE THE DOMESTIC PORTION OF THE FLIGHT AT THE HIGHER ALTITUDE. AGAIN THE CAPT MADE A POINTED INQUIRY ABOUT THE SITUATION; AND ONCE AGAIN WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS NOT AN ISSUE. WHILE IN OUR FINAL SECTOR OF US AIRSPACE; THE CONTROLLER ASKED US ABOUT OUR STATUS CONCERNING THE TCAS. HE TOLD US THAT THE CANADIANS WANTED CONFIRMATION OF OUR TCAS STATUS IN RELATION TO OUR ALTITUDE. WHEN WE CONFIRMED THAT OUR TCAS WAS INDEED INOPERABLE; HE ASKED US WHY WE WERE AT THE HIGHER ALTITUDE. WE THEN RELAYED TO HIM THE INFORMATION GIVEN TO US ON THE WAVIER SITUATION. HE TOLD US HE WAS NOT AWARE OF SUCH A THING AND DESCENDED US TO FL270. UPON ARRIVAL; OUR CAPT SPOKE WITH OUR CHIEF DISPATCHER; WHO TOLD HIM THAT THERE IS INDEED SUCH A WAVIER; HOWEVER; THE DISPATCHER FOR OUR FLIGHT DID NOT FOLLOW PROPER PROCEDURE WHICH IN TURN CREATED CONFUSION WITH THE MSP CENTER CONTROLLER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.