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Attributes | |
ACN | 725236 |
Time | |
Date | 200701 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zob.artcc |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl single value : 34000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | arrival star : cince6 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar pilot : instrument |
Experience | controller radar : 25 flight time total : 200 |
ASRS Report | 725236 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
This is not a separation issue; yet. Air carrier xyz apparently has a company policy of flying 'slow' to conserve fuel. The first problem with this is that you never know what IAS or mach numbers they are flying; and the second problem is that one xyz flight is flying at M.80; and when queried; the flight directly ahead may be at M.68. On this night; xyz flight was operating in the ZOB high altitude airspace at FL340 on the CINCE6 STAR. Xyz was number 2 with a company ahead doing M.84; and 6 aircraft behind. Xyz flight was asked his mach speed and replied M.71; when requested to increase speed to maintain in-trail separation; the pilot declined; explaining that M.71 was the company's filed airspeed and the fuel load was planned on that speed. Any increase in mach number would put the flight in a minimum fuel situation. Subsequently; the 6 aircraft following xyz; including B757S; B737; crjs; were reduced to M.71 (all from much higher mach numbers) to maintain in-trail spacing and separation. All this occurred over 200 NM from cvg. The inconsistent slow airspeeds that air carrier xyz flies are a big problem for center controllers; and an accident waiting to happen. And to think cessna citations just got faster; and now this. At least citations fly at known consistent speeds.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARTCC RADAR CTLR ADVISES THAT A LARGE COMMUTER AIRLINE IS UTILIZING WIDELY DIVERGENT CRUISE AIRSPDS FOR THEIR ACFT IN SEARCH OF FUEL ECONOMY. RPTR FEELS THESE SPDS ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE SMOOTH FLOW OF TFC IN THE ENRTE SECTORS.
Narrative: THIS IS NOT A SEPARATION ISSUE; YET. ACR XYZ APPARENTLY HAS A COMPANY POLICY OF FLYING 'SLOW' TO CONSERVE FUEL. THE FIRST PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT IAS OR MACH NUMBERS THEY ARE FLYING; AND THE SECOND PROBLEM IS THAT ONE XYZ FLIGHT IS FLYING AT M.80; AND WHEN QUERIED; THE FLIGHT DIRECTLY AHEAD MAY BE AT M.68. ON THIS NIGHT; XYZ FLT WAS OPERATING IN THE ZOB HIGH ALTITUDE AIRSPACE AT FL340 ON THE CINCE6 STAR. XYZ WAS NUMBER 2 WITH A COMPANY AHEAD DOING M.84; AND 6 AIRCRAFT BEHIND. XYZ FLT WAS ASKED HIS MACH SPEED AND REPLIED M.71; WHEN REQUESTED TO INCREASE SPEED TO MAINTAIN IN-TRAIL SEPARATION; THE PILOT DECLINED; EXPLAINING THAT M.71 WAS THE COMPANY'S FILED AIRSPEED AND THE FUEL LOAD WAS PLANNED ON THAT SPEED. ANY INCREASE IN MACH NUMBER WOULD PUT THE FLIGHT IN A MINIMUM FUEL SITUATION. SUBSEQUENTLY; THE 6 AIRCRAFT FOLLOWING XYZ; INCLUDING B757S; B737; CRJS; WERE REDUCED TO M.71 (ALL FROM MUCH HIGHER MACH NUMBERS) TO MAINTAIN IN-TRAIL SPACING AND SEPARATION. ALL THIS OCCURRED OVER 200 NM FROM CVG. THE INCONSISTENT SLOW AIRSPEEDS THAT ACR XYZ FLIES ARE A BIG PROBLEM FOR CENTER CONTROLLERS; AND AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. AND TO THINK CESSNA CITATIONS JUST GOT FASTER; AND NOW THIS. AT LEAST CITATIONS FLY AT KNOWN CONSISTENT SPEEDS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.