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Captain of LJ35 disputes departure controller's implication of an altitude discrepancy on the teb SID from runway 24.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 725935 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200702 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : charter |
| Make Model Name | Learjet 35 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure sid : teb 5 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : charter |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4100 flight time type : 1200 |
| ASRS Report | 725935 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : charter |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication Aircraft |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We departed runway 24 on runway heading; climbed to 1500 ft; and then turned to heading 280 degrees. At 4.5 DME we climbed to 2000 ft. At some point during numerous hand-offs and radio transmissions; ATC commented that we needed to 'check your compliance with the SID.' to the best knowledge our teb 5 departure had been completed correctly. ATC implied that there was a discrepancy between our altitude and the altitude specified on the departure. The departure occurs very quickly once airborne and is complicated by several radio frequency changes. Normally altitude changes are directed by ATC rather than left up to the crew of the aircraft. This greatly reduces the work-load of the crew especially when they are concentrating on directional changes dictated by a SID.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF LJ35 DISPUTES DEP CTLR'S IMPLICATION OF AN ALT DISCREPANCY ON THE TEB SID FROM RWY 24.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED RWY 24 ON RWY HEADING; CLBED TO 1500 FT; AND THEN TURNED TO HEADING 280 DEGS. AT 4.5 DME WE CLBED TO 2000 FT. AT SOME POINT DURING NUMEROUS HAND-OFFS AND RADIO TRANSMISSIONS; ATC COMMENTED THAT WE NEEDED TO 'CHECK YOUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE SID.' TO THE BEST KNOWLEDGE OUR TEB 5 DEP HAD BEEN COMPLETED CORRECTLY. ATC IMPLIED THAT THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN OUR ALT AND THE ALT SPECIFIED ON THE DEP. THE DEP OCCURS VERY QUICKLY ONCE AIRBORNE AND IS COMPLICATED BY SEVERAL RADIO FREQ CHANGES. NORMALLY ALT CHANGES ARE DIRECTED BY ATC RATHER THAN LEFT UP TO THE CREW OF THE ACFT. THIS GREATLY REDUCES THE WORK-LOAD OF THE CREW ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE CONCENTRATING ON DIRECTIONAL CHANGES DICTATED BY A SID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.