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Attributes | |
ACN | 727306 |
Time | |
Date | 200702 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bfi.airport |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : s46.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Falcon 900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : jawbn.jawbn9 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 115 flight time total : 500 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 727306 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
ATC clear 'descend via the JAWBN9 landing runway 13.' FMS loaded for yyj.JAWBN9; autoplt set to LNAV/VNAV. Within 10 NM of jawbn; ATC inquires if crossing will occur at 11000 ft MSL. Aircraft is approximately 15500 ft and will not be possible to adjust rate of descent to make jawbn at 11000 ft MSL. ATC provides new clearance and states 'descend to 11000 ft; expedite descent.' upon landing; I phoned honeywell FMS navigation data and describe this event. Honeywell spokesman states that the jawbn intersection is coded as 'cross jawbn at or above 11000 ft MSL.' I asked him to look up commercial chart jawbn nine arrival. I further referenced the requirement on chart that states 'landing runway 13: cross at and maintain 11000 ft.' he replies that the commercial chart data honeywell has received for this SID is coded incorrectly and will notify commercial chart company to resolve issue. TCAS was operating normally and no TA or RA from aircraft in the vicinity was observed. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that the aircraft is usually flown in the autoflt mode and that it is standard for his company to fly that way. He stated that they; the flight crew; could have been more proactive in noticing the 'at or above' for the crossing restr in the FMS and flown the aircraft in the manual mode to achieve the crossing. After the flight; he indicated that he phoned the honeywell representative as the FMS were of that make and model and the representative indicated that they had received the crossing restr as 'at or above' from commercial chart manufacturer for the FMS database. The reporter stated that honeywell was going to contact commercial chart manufacturer and have the database repaired to represent the chart and resent to all user.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FALCON 900EX FLT CREW DOES NOT MEET XING RESTR ON JAWBN NINE ARR TO BFI.
Narrative: ATC CLR 'DSND VIA THE JAWBN9 LNDG RWY 13.' FMS LOADED FOR YYJ.JAWBN9; AUTOPLT SET TO LNAV/VNAV. WITHIN 10 NM OF JAWBN; ATC INQUIRES IF XING WILL OCCUR AT 11000 FT MSL. ACFT IS APPROX 15500 FT AND WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE TO ADJUST RATE OF DSCNT TO MAKE JAWBN AT 11000 FT MSL. ATC PROVIDES NEW CLRNC AND STATES 'DSND TO 11000 FT; EXPEDITE DSCNT.' UPON LNDG; I PHONED HONEYWELL FMS NAV DATA AND DESCRIBE THIS EVENT. HONEYWELL SPOKESMAN STATES THAT THE JAWBN INTXN IS CODED AS 'CROSS JAWBN AT OR ABOVE 11000 FT MSL.' I ASKED HIM TO LOOK UP COMMERCIAL CHART JAWBN NINE ARR. I FURTHER REFED THE REQUIREMENT ON CHART THAT STATES 'LNDG RWY 13: CROSS AT AND MAINTAIN 11000 FT.' HE REPLIES THAT THE COMMERCIAL CHART DATA HONEYWELL HAS RECEIVED FOR THIS SID IS CODED INCORRECTLY AND WILL NOTIFY COMMERCIAL CHART COMPANY TO RESOLVE ISSUE. TCAS WAS OPERATING NORMALLY AND NO TA OR RA FROM ACFT IN THE VICINITY WAS OBSERVED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE ACFT IS USUALLY FLOWN IN THE AUTOFLT MODE AND THAT IT IS STANDARD FOR HIS COMPANY TO FLY THAT WAY. HE STATED THAT THEY; THE FLT CREW; COULD HAVE BEEN MORE PROACTIVE IN NOTICING THE 'AT OR ABOVE' FOR THE XING RESTR IN THE FMS AND FLOWN THE ACFT IN THE MANUAL MODE TO ACHIEVE THE XING. AFTER THE FLT; HE INDICATED THAT HE PHONED THE HONEYWELL REPRESENTATIVE AS THE FMS WERE OF THAT MAKE AND MODEL AND THE REPRESENTATIVE INDICATED THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED THE XING RESTR AS 'AT OR ABOVE' FROM COMMERCIAL CHART MANUFACTURER FOR THE FMS DATABASE. THE RPTR STATED THAT HONEYWELL WAS GOING TO CONTACT COMMERCIAL CHART MANUFACTURER AND HAVE THE DATABASE REPAIRED TO REPRESENT THE CHART AND RESENT TO ALL USER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.