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Attributes | |
ACN | 727414 |
Time | |
Date | 200702 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cgz.airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-24 Comanche |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | PA-23 Apache (& Geronimo Apache) |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 1180 flight time type : 650 |
ASRS Report | 727414 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe ground encounters : gear up landing incursion : runway non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Was on a local flight. Stopped by cgz for gas as usual. Runway marker lights not working but ILS lights (the rabbit) and others working. This happens all the time at night at the smaller uncontrolled airports in arizona -- the airport personnel forget to turn on the lighting system or leave the rotating beacon off etc so I did not think much of it as about half the time I go into a small uncontrolled airport at night in az at least some of the lights don't work. I have 2 high intensity lights on the end of each wing so I usually don't have any problem. On rollout after slowing down and looking for a taxiway (going slow -- 10 or 15 mph) I noticed something off to the south side of the runway on the runway. It was a twin -- maybe an apache that appeared to have bellied in. It appeared there were remnants of flares on the runway so I'm guessing either it happened after hours or flares were put out but had expired. The airplane was far enough down the runway that there was plenty of runway for me to takeoff again. In any event; I'm not sure what I could have done differently to know the runway was impaired. As stated earlier; this was a local flight so I don't normally get a briefing or file a flight plan for local flts. It's a common occurrence to have some part of the lighting not working at most of the uncontrolled airports in az. Therefore there was no reason to think the runway was impaired. This may have been one of those things where the accident occurred after hours and no one really knew yet. It would help to have something on CTAF if an airport is unexpectedly closed. Maybe even a repeating recording stating the airport is closed; don't land here. In my personal opinion; just having one part of the lighting off is nowhere near sufficient. Maybe there was something else I should have/could have done but having gone over it in my mind again and again I'm just not sure what else I could have done. I wish there was a standard and recognizable way to close an uncontrolled field at night in the event of a problem (such as an airplane on the runway) that would prevent someone from landing).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA24 PILOT REPORTS LANDING AT CGZ AT NIGHT AND FINDING A DISABLED ACFT ON THE EDGE OF THE RWY.
Narrative: WAS ON A LCL FLT. STOPPED BY CGZ FOR GAS AS USUAL. RWY MARKER LIGHTS NOT WORKING BUT ILS LIGHTS (THE RABBIT) AND OTHERS WORKING. THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME AT NIGHT AT THE SMALLER UNCTLED ARPTS IN ARIZONA -- THE ARPT PERSONNEL FORGET TO TURN ON THE LIGHTING SYS OR LEAVE THE ROTATING BEACON OFF ETC SO I DID NOT THINK MUCH OF IT AS ABOUT HALF THE TIME I GO INTO A SMALL UNCTLED ARPT AT NIGHT IN AZ AT LEAST SOME OF THE LIGHTS DON'T WORK. I HAVE 2 HIGH INTENSITY LIGHTS ON THE END OF EACH WING SO I USUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY PROB. ON ROLLOUT AFTER SLOWING DOWN AND LOOKING FOR A TXWY (GOING SLOW -- 10 OR 15 MPH) I NOTICED SOMETHING OFF TO THE S SIDE OF THE RWY ON THE RWY. IT WAS A TWIN -- MAYBE AN APACHE THAT APPEARED TO HAVE BELLIED IN. IT APPEARED THERE WERE REMNANTS OF FLARES ON THE RWY SO I'M GUESSING EITHER IT HAPPENED AFTER HRS OR FLARES WERE PUT OUT BUT HAD EXPIRED. THE AIRPLANE WAS FAR ENOUGH DOWN THE RWY THAT THERE WAS PLENTY OF RWY FOR ME TO TKOF AGAIN. IN ANY EVENT; I'M NOT SURE WHAT I COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY TO KNOW THE RWY WAS IMPAIRED. AS STATED EARLIER; THIS WAS A LCL FLT SO I DON'T NORMALLY GET A BRIEFING OR FILE A FLT PLAN FOR LCL FLTS. IT'S A COMMON OCCURRENCE TO HAVE SOME PART OF THE LIGHTING NOT WORKING AT MOST OF THE UNCTLED ARPTS IN AZ. THEREFORE THERE WAS NO REASON TO THINK THE RWY WAS IMPAIRED. THIS MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THE ACCIDENT OCCURRED AFTER HRS AND NO ONE REALLY KNEW YET. IT WOULD HELP TO HAVE SOMETHING ON CTAF IF AN ARPT IS UNEXPECTEDLY CLOSED. MAYBE EVEN A REPEATING RECORDING STATING THE ARPT IS CLOSED; DON'T LAND HERE. IN MY PERSONAL OPINION; JUST HAVING ONE PART OF THE LIGHTING OFF IS NOWHERE NEAR SUFFICIENT. MAYBE THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE I SHOULD HAVE/COULD HAVE DONE BUT HAVING GONE OVER IT IN MY MIND AGAIN AND AGAIN I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT ELSE I COULD HAVE DONE. I WISH THERE WAS A STANDARD AND RECOGNIZABLE WAY TO CLOSE AN UNCTLED FIELD AT NIGHT IN THE EVENT OF A PROB (SUCH AS AN AIRPLANE ON THE RWY) THAT WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE FROM LNDG).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.