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Attributes | |
ACN | 728290 |
Time | |
Date | 200702 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl single value : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : teb.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation Excel |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : teb.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4100 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 728290 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On feb/thu/07; at XA15 local we were on approach to teb via the VOR DME-a approach circle to land runway 24 (per ATIS). ATIS winds were 320 degrees at 15 KTS gust to 26 KTS. Approaching the airport on the VOR we were instructed; to our surprise; to land on runway 19. We requested runway 1 to land into the wind. We were told by tower that since we were an IFR arrival we had to use runway 19 or runway 24. We knew runway 24 would have a 25 KT crosswind component in the gust and we could see it was still covered in snow. Tower told us in the discussion that if we insisted on runway 1 it would result in an extended delay in holding. After a quick pause; my captain elected to land runway 19 due to the snow on runway 24 and our schedule and fuel status. Runway 19 had a 19 KT crosswind component and a 16 KT tailwind component in the gust. A 10 KT tailwind steady state. The argumentative nature of the tower controller and his all but requiring us to land on a runway with only fair braking at best and; a 10 mph tailwind gusting to 16 KTS is nothing short of reckless and negligent. Our airspeed on final was +/-10 KTS as well. If teb tower continues these dangerous practices they will surely continue to run aircraft off of the end of the runway. In our case; runway 1 was available; in use for VFR arrs and would/was the only favored runway. In a circle to land situation; there should have been no need for holding and to threaten us with it was unethical and wrong.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CE560 APCHING TEB ON THE VOR DME-A WAS FORCED TO LAND RWY 19 WITH A 320 DEG WIND AT 15 GUSTING 26 AFTER REQUESTING RWY 01 AND BEING REFUSED.
Narrative: ON FEB/THU/07; AT XA15 LCL WE WERE ON APCH TO TEB VIA THE VOR DME-A APCH CIRCLE TO LAND RWY 24 (PER ATIS). ATIS WINDS WERE 320 DEGS AT 15 KTS GUST TO 26 KTS. APCHING THE ARPT ON THE VOR WE WERE INSTRUCTED; TO OUR SURPRISE; TO LAND ON RWY 19. WE REQUESTED RWY 1 TO LAND INTO THE WIND. WE WERE TOLD BY TWR THAT SINCE WE WERE AN IFR ARR WE HAD TO USE RWY 19 OR RWY 24. WE KNEW RWY 24 WOULD HAVE A 25 KT XWIND COMPONENT IN THE GUST AND WE COULD SEE IT WAS STILL COVERED IN SNOW. TWR TOLD US IN THE DISCUSSION THAT IF WE INSISTED ON RWY 1 IT WOULD RESULT IN AN EXTENDED DELAY IN HOLDING. AFTER A QUICK PAUSE; MY CAPT ELECTED TO LAND RWY 19 DUE TO THE SNOW ON RWY 24 AND OUR SCHEDULE AND FUEL STATUS. RWY 19 HAD A 19 KT XWIND COMPONENT AND A 16 KT TAILWIND COMPONENT IN THE GUST. A 10 KT TAILWIND STEADY STATE. THE ARGUMENTATIVE NATURE OF THE TWR CTLR AND HIS ALL BUT REQUIRING US TO LAND ON A RWY WITH ONLY FAIR BRAKING AT BEST AND; A 10 MPH TAILWIND GUSTING TO 16 KTS IS NOTHING SHORT OF RECKLESS AND NEGLIGENT. OUR AIRSPD ON FINAL WAS +/-10 KTS AS WELL. IF TEB TWR CONTINUES THESE DANGEROUS PRACTICES THEY WILL SURELY CONTINUE TO RUN ACFT OFF OF THE END OF THE RWY. IN OUR CASE; RWY 1 WAS AVAILABLE; IN USE FOR VFR ARRS AND WOULD/WAS THE ONLY FAVORED RWY. IN A CIRCLE TO LAND SITUATION; THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEED FOR HOLDING AND TO THREATEN US WITH IT WAS UNETHICAL AND WRONG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.