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Attributes | |
ACN | 735082 |
Time | |
Date | 200704 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : atl.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 26r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 855 |
ASRS Report | 735082 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : msaw other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | radar equipment : atl.tower |
Narrative:
On apr/sat/07 at approximately XA25 during our arrival into atl; we were given vectors and an altitude of 3500 ft to intercept the localizer for runway 26R. The WX was VFR (clear below 12000 ft; visibility +10 SM). We called airport in sight and were cleared for the visual runway 26R. At the same time the autoplt captured the localizer; because we were above the GS when cleared for the visual. We dialed an altitude of 2700 ft (intercept altitude at the OM -- ajaay) and went vertical speed down to capture the GS. Atl tower then gave us an altitude alert. Again on apr/sat/07 at approximately XF55 on the same arrival from the same direction we were given vectors to the visual runway 26R. We were cleared down to 2700 ft at 9 DME (2.3 DME outside of ajaay) we intercepted the localizer and received an altitude alert from atl tower. We verified 2700 ft with tower; they confirmed and thought the alert might have been caused because we were in a turn. I am not exactly sure why we received an altitude alert. After receiving the first one; which caught us off guard; we paid special attention to our exact DME and altitude during our second visual to runway 26R. In both cases safety was never compromised. Both alerts were issued at 2700 ft around 2 DME outside the OM in a turn. 2700 ft is the GS intercept altitude. Both visuals were also short approachs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMP145 PLT RPTS ATL TOWER ISSUED LOW ALTITUDE ALERTS WHEN ACFT WAS ON A VISUAL APCH BUT AT OR ABOVE PUBLISHED INSTRUMENT ALTITUDES FOR THE RWYS IS USE.
Narrative: ON APR/SAT/07 AT APPROX XA25 DURING OUR ARR INTO ATL; WE WERE GIVEN VECTORS AND AN ALT OF 3500 FT TO INTERCEPT THE LOC FOR RWY 26R. THE WX WAS VFR (CLR BELOW 12000 FT; VISIBILITY +10 SM). WE CALLED ARPT IN SIGHT AND WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL RWY 26R. AT THE SAME TIME THE AUTOPLT CAPTURED THE LOC; BECAUSE WE WERE ABOVE THE GS WHEN CLRED FOR THE VISUAL. WE DIALED AN ALT OF 2700 FT (INTERCEPT ALT AT THE OM -- AJAAY) AND WENT VERT SPD DOWN TO CAPTURE THE GS. ATL TWR THEN GAVE US AN ALT ALERT. AGAIN ON APR/SAT/07 AT APPROX XF55 ON THE SAME ARR FROM THE SAME DIRECTION WE WERE GIVEN VECTORS TO THE VISUAL RWY 26R. WE WERE CLRED DOWN TO 2700 FT AT 9 DME (2.3 DME OUTSIDE OF AJAAY) WE INTERCEPTED THE LOC AND RECEIVED AN ALT ALERT FROM ATL TWR. WE VERIFIED 2700 FT WITH TWR; THEY CONFIRMED AND THOUGHT THE ALERT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CAUSED BECAUSE WE WERE IN A TURN. I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE WHY WE RECEIVED AN ALT ALERT. AFTER RECEIVING THE FIRST ONE; WHICH CAUGHT US OFF GUARD; WE PAID SPECIAL ATTN TO OUR EXACT DME AND ALT DURING OUR SECOND VISUAL TO RWY 26R. IN BOTH CASES SAFETY WAS NEVER COMPROMISED. BOTH ALERTS WERE ISSUED AT 2700 FT AROUND 2 DME OUTSIDE THE OM IN A TURN. 2700 FT IS THE GS INTERCEPT ALT. BOTH VISUALS WERE ALSO SHORT APCHS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.