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Attributes | |
ACN | 743370 |
Time | |
Date | 200706 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzzz.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm Rain |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 743370 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 744173 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : company policies other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
My schedule had been published with a 4 man crew. Indeed; clearly over 12 hours with the second leg showing 12 hours even. This flight was changed to a layover in ZZZZ1 and the crew dropped to 3 pilots. Upon arrival at the aircraft; we were handed a flight plan showing 12 hour 39 min flight time to ZZZZ2. I inquired as to the legality of this clearly well over 12 hour flight under part 121 flag operations and only 3 pilots. I did not feel this was a legal crew complement for this flight. I received almost immediate response back that the chief pilot ok'ed the operation as it was scheduled for 12 hours or less and; therefore; still legal even though the flight time came in over by 39 mins. This time doesn't account for any ground taxi time whatsoever. If you factor in only 20 mins of taxi onto the block-to-block; you are looking at a flight time of nearly 1 hour over what was previously planned. This would require a pretty serious change in the average winds aloft. I have a hard time believing that this flight was an honest 12 hour scheduled run. Although I don't have the average times of other flts from ZZZZ1 to ZZZZ2; it does appear to me that the schedule was manipulated to show a 12 hour scheduled operation with full knowledge that it would exceed that. As per the direction of the chief pilot; I took the flight knowing my flight would probably block in at around 13 hours. The actual flight time flown was 12 hours 48 mins; block 13 hours 25 mins.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747-400 FLT CREW FEELS FLIGHT FROM ZZZZ1 TO ZZZZ2 REQUIRED FOUR PERSON FLT CREW. COMPANY REJECTS THE PLEA; ADVISING THE 'SCHEDULED' FLT TIME WAS TWELVE HOURS OR LESS. ACTUAL BLOCK TO BLOCK TIME WAS 13:25.
Narrative: MY SCHEDULE HAD BEEN PUBLISHED WITH A 4 MAN CREW. INDEED; CLEARLY OVER 12 HRS WITH THE SECOND LEG SHOWING 12 HRS EVEN. THIS FLT WAS CHANGED TO A LAYOVER IN ZZZZ1 AND THE CREW DROPPED TO 3 PLTS. UPON ARR AT THE ACFT; WE WERE HANDED A FLT PLAN SHOWING 12 HR 39 MIN FLT TIME TO ZZZZ2. I INQUIRED AS TO THE LEGALITY OF THIS CLEARLY WELL OVER 12 HR FLT UNDER PART 121 FLAG OPS AND ONLY 3 PLTS. I DID NOT FEEL THIS WAS A LEGAL CREW COMPLEMENT FOR THIS FLT. I RECEIVED ALMOST IMMEDIATE RESPONSE BACK THAT THE CHIEF PLT OK'ED THE OP AS IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR 12 HRS OR LESS AND; THEREFORE; STILL LEGAL EVEN THOUGH THE FLT TIME CAME IN OVER BY 39 MINS. THIS TIME DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR ANY GND TAXI TIME WHATSOEVER. IF YOU FACTOR IN ONLY 20 MINS OF TAXI ONTO THE BLOCK-TO-BLOCK; YOU ARE LOOKING AT A FLT TIME OF NEARLY 1 HR OVER WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PLANNED. THIS WOULD REQUIRE A PRETTY SERIOUS CHANGE IN THE AVERAGE WINDS ALOFT. I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THIS FLT WAS AN HONEST 12 HR SCHEDULED RUN. ALTHOUGH I DON'T HAVE THE AVERAGE TIMES OF OTHER FLTS FROM ZZZZ1 TO ZZZZ2; IT DOES APPEAR TO ME THAT THE SCHEDULE WAS MANIPULATED TO SHOW A 12 HR SCHEDULED OP WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT IT WOULD EXCEED THAT. AS PER THE DIRECTION OF THE CHIEF PLT; I TOOK THE FLT KNOWING MY FLT WOULD PROBABLY BLOCK IN AT AROUND 13 HRS. THE ACTUAL FLT TIME FLOWN WAS 12 HRS 48 MINS; BLOCK 13 HRS 25 MINS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.