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Attributes | |
ACN | 749392 |
Time | |
Date | 200708 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : zzz.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream V |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 749392 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 50 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were in VMC. During this phase of our flight we received a TA and immediately looked for our traffic on our TCAS display for reference to position and altitude. The TA target popped up basically from nowhere and appeared immediately off our nose. Before we could analyze visually or with reference to our instrumentation; the citation jet passed above us approximately 50 ft. About the same time the controller said; 'aircraft X; you should have traffic passing below you.' we also; at about the same time; received an RA and a descend command from our TCAS computer. However; all this was after the citation had passed. This entire episode lasted less than 5 seconds from the initial TA. Once we got on the ground and had time to gather our thoughts; we called approach control to inquire about the events. The supervisor assured us that he would look into the issue and call us back. Within about 1 hour we were notified by approach that a citation had departed under VFR and did a high performance climb to 5000 ft staying below class B airspace. The angle and rate of climb of the citation jet didn't give ATC a chance to give us accurate information and it didn't allow our TCAS system to react properly either. It was a real formula for disaster! It is of my opinion that the citation pilot used poor judgement in the safe operation of a jet aircraft in a high traffic area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GLF5 HAS NMAC WITH VFR CITATION DURING TERMINAL ARRIVAL.
Narrative: WE WERE IN VMC. DURING THIS PHASE OF OUR FLT WE RECEIVED A TA AND IMMEDIATELY LOOKED FOR OUR TFC ON OUR TCAS DISPLAY FOR REF TO POS AND ALT. THE TA TARGET POPPED UP BASICALLY FROM NOWHERE AND APPEARED IMMEDIATELY OFF OUR NOSE. BEFORE WE COULD ANALYZE VISUALLY OR WITH REF TO OUR INSTRUMENTATION; THE CITATION JET PASSED ABOVE US APPROX 50 FT. ABOUT THE SAME TIME THE CTLR SAID; 'ACFT X; YOU SHOULD HAVE TFC PASSING BELOW YOU.' WE ALSO; AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME; RECEIVED AN RA AND A DSND COMMAND FROM OUR TCAS COMPUTER. HOWEVER; ALL THIS WAS AFTER THE CITATION HAD PASSED. THIS ENTIRE EPISODE LASTED LESS THAN 5 SECONDS FROM THE INITIAL TA. ONCE WE GOT ON THE GND AND HAD TIME TO GATHER OUR THOUGHTS; WE CALLED APCH CTL TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE EVENTS. THE SUPVR ASSURED US THAT HE WOULD LOOK INTO THE ISSUE AND CALL US BACK. WITHIN ABOUT 1 HR WE WERE NOTIFIED BY APCH THAT A CITATION HAD DEPARTED UNDER VFR AND DID A HIGH PERFORMANCE CLB TO 5000 FT STAYING BELOW CLASS B AIRSPACE. THE ANGLE AND RATE OF CLB OF THE CITATION JET DIDN'T GIVE ATC A CHANCE TO GIVE US ACCURATE INFO AND IT DIDN'T ALLOW OUR TCAS SYS TO REACT PROPERLY EITHER. IT WAS A REAL FORMULA FOR DISASTER! IT IS OF MY OPINION THAT THE CITATION PLT USED POOR JUDGEMENT IN THE SAFE OP OF A JET ACFT IN A HIGH TFC AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.