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Attributes | |
ACN | 755553 |
Time | |
Date | 200709 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 170/175 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 9r |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 755553 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 204 flight time type : 1202 |
ASRS Report | 755554 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to assigned altitude flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
Upon arrival into atl; about 7000 MSL and 20 mi out; the aural warning unit began the 'landing gear' callout which was unable to be silenced. Note: the captain's radio altimeter read '0' while the first officer's was functioning normally. We were on with atlanta approach and receiving radar vectors to final. The callout was so loud; we were having trouble simply hearing approach. The controller gave us the clearance of 5 mi (approximately) from vinni; turn left heading 070 degrees to reintercept the localizer; cross vinni at 7000 ft MSL; cleared for the ILS prm runway 9R approach. I read back the clearance and we commanded the autoplt to do the turn; subsequently arming the approach. The autoplt captured the localizer and GS approximately 3 mi from vinni; and we confirmed it. We then shifted our attention to try to silence the 'landing gear' call since we were still approximately 19 mi out. However; the autoplt began a descent contrary to the true GS even the GS was captured and we ended up crossing vinni 6300 ft. The controller informed us of this; and we turned off the autoplt and hand flew the aircraft back onto glidepath; meanwhile; the 'landing gear' call is still playing. About 15 mi out; we just decided to lower the landing gear to attempt to get the horn to silence. It worked and we continued the approach without further incident. I fully believe that there are 2 reasons that there was any sort of altitude deviation. First off; the erroneous 'landing gear' was not only very distracting; but made it extremely hard to communicate to ATC and amongst ourselves; thus providing a huge distraction. Secondly; the controller gave us a late vector to intercept the ILS which was slightly off the norm; just adding to the situation. I still have no idea why the autoplt descended; while having captured the GS; below the GS. I do however think that had we not been extremely distraction by the erroneous 'landing gear' call we would have immediately seen the altitude deviation. I also believe after talking with maintenance that the deviation and autoplt problems were a direct result of a the radar altimeter; the probable cause for the 'landing gear' callout.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMB170 FLT CREW REPORTS RADAR ALTIMETER FAILURE THAT CAUSES LOUD LANDING GEAR WARNING THAT CANNOT BE SILENCED. THE AUTOPILOT FAILS TO HOLD ALTITUDE DURING THE APPROACH BUT ONCE THE GEAR IS LOWERED THE WARNING IS SILENCED.
Narrative: UPON ARR INTO ATL; ABOUT 7000 MSL AND 20 MI OUT; THE AURAL WARNING UNIT BEGAN THE 'LNDG GEAR' CALLOUT WHICH WAS UNABLE TO BE SILENCED. NOTE: THE CAPT'S RADIO ALTIMETER READ '0' WHILE THE FO'S WAS FUNCTIONING NORMALLY. WE WERE ON WITH ATLANTA APCH AND RECEIVING RADAR VECTORS TO FINAL. THE CALLOUT WAS SO LOUD; WE WERE HAVING TROUBLE SIMPLY HEARING APCH. THE CTLR GAVE US THE CLRNC OF 5 MI (APPROX) FROM VINNI; TURN L HDG 070 DEGS TO REINTERCEPT THE LOC; CROSS VINNI AT 7000 FT MSL; CLRED FOR THE ILS PRM RWY 9R APCH. I READ BACK THE CLRNC AND WE COMMANDED THE AUTOPLT TO DO THE TURN; SUBSEQUENTLY ARMING THE APCH. THE AUTOPLT CAPTURED THE LOC AND GS APPROX 3 MI FROM VINNI; AND WE CONFIRMED IT. WE THEN SHIFTED OUR ATTN TO TRY TO SILENCE THE 'LNDG GEAR' CALL SINCE WE WERE STILL APPROX 19 MI OUT. HOWEVER; THE AUTOPLT BEGAN A DSCNT CONTRARY TO THE TRUE GS EVEN THE GS WAS CAPTURED AND WE ENDED UP XING VINNI 6300 FT. THE CTLR INFORMED US OF THIS; AND WE TURNED OFF THE AUTOPLT AND HAND FLEW THE ACFT BACK ONTO GLIDEPATH; MEANWHILE; THE 'LNDG GEAR' CALL IS STILL PLAYING. ABOUT 15 MI OUT; WE JUST DECIDED TO LOWER THE LNDG GEAR TO ATTEMPT TO GET THE HORN TO SILENCE. IT WORKED AND WE CONTINUED THE APCH WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. I FULLY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE 2 REASONS THAT THERE WAS ANY SORT OF ALTDEV. FIRST OFF; THE ERRONEOUS 'LNDG GEAR' WAS NOT ONLY VERY DISTRACTING; BUT MADE IT EXTREMELY HARD TO COMMUNICATE TO ATC AND AMONGST OURSELVES; THUS PROVIDING A HUGE DISTR. SECONDLY; THE CTLR GAVE US A LATE VECTOR TO INTERCEPT THE ILS WHICH WAS SLIGHTLY OFF THE NORM; JUST ADDING TO THE SITUATION. I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHY THE AUTOPLT DSNDED; WHILE HAVING CAPTURED THE GS; BELOW THE GS. I DO HOWEVER THINK THAT HAD WE NOT BEEN EXTREMELY DISTR BY THE ERRONEOUS 'LNDG GEAR' CALL WE WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY SEEN THE ALTDEV. I ALSO BELIEVE AFTER TALKING WITH MAINT THAT THE DEV AND AUTOPLT PROBS WERE A DIRECT RESULT OF A THE RADAR ALTIMETER; THE PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THE 'LNDG GEAR' CALLOUT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.